i read this and wonder if it was made up or he actually said that.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79873

 

The easy answer is yes, Grosjean was GP2 Asia champion. He equaled Hamilton on points (though not on tally of final positions) and beat the guy who came second to Hamilton comfortably. That is only in the teams he has been racing for. That being the case, he probably did say it.

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

f.eric:

The easy answer is yes, Grosjean was GP2 Asia champion. He equaled Hamilton on points (though not on tally of final positions) and beat the guy who came second to Hamilton comfortably. That is only in the teams he has been racing for. That being the case, he probably did say it.

in the past two years alonso has not been hamilton's teammate so i don't think alonso referred to hamilton at all.

everytime gp2 is referred to, there is only one series in mind unless it is qualified with asian series and non of alonso's teammates at renault have been gp2 champions.

i suspect alonso didn't say that but many other sites have reported the same thing which suggest that alonso is keen to show that he is the best when he gets his hands on that ferrari. 

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

f.eric:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

there is a race series called gp2 and there is another race series called gp2 asia series.

that has always been the case since 2005 when gp2 started, 2008 when the asia series started and that is a fact. 

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

there is a race series called gp2 and there is another race series called gp2 asia series.

that has always been the case since 2005 when gp2 started, 2008 when the asia series started and that is a fact. 

This has been the case for a long time.

Eddie Irvine for example raced in the Japan series rather than the European one.  I can't remeber if it was called F2 or F3000 at that time.

But the point is that they are both GP2 series.

franger:

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

there is a race series called gp2 and there is another race series called gp2 asia series.

that has always been the case since 2005 when gp2 started, 2008 when the asia series started and that is a fact. 

This has been the case for a long time.

Eddie Irvine for example raced in the Japan series rather than the European one.  I can't remeber if it was called F2 or F3000 at that time.

But the point is that they are both GP2 series.

in every racing series the drivers race against each other and classed accordingly so the asia series champion will never be labelled gp2 champion because he never raced against the drivers in gp2. he will always be called gp2 asia series champion. rosberg hamilton and glock will never be called gp2 asia series champions. this is fact. 

aveli666:

franger:

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

there is a race series called gp2 and there is another race series called gp2 asia series.

that has always been the case since 2005 when gp2 started, 2008 when the asia series started and that is a fact. 

This has been the case for a long time.

Eddie Irvine for example raced in the Japan series rather than the European one.  I can't remeber if it was called F2 or F3000 at that time.

But the point is that they are both GP2 series.

in every racing series the drivers race against each other and classed accordingly so the asia series champion will never be labelled gp2 champion because he never raced against the drivers in gp2. he will always be called gp2 asia series champion. rosberg hamilton and glock will never be called gp2 asia series champions. this is fact. 

In your mind, maybe. Good luck in persuading others that it is. He didn't say champions from 'the GP2 series'. This would denote a specific race series because of the use of 'the' as a direct article. The lack of use of it suggests that he means it in a more general sense, hence him very probably meaning the GP2 concept used in any series that uses those cars.

Be careful about taking things too literally. Unless you can something more to the table other than repeating yourself then that is really it for this topic.

Oh, and so as not to waste another post Mattw42 (I think that's right) made the comment about Estonia not Jack67.

 

Problem young drivers have these days is no testing so it really sucks because without the testing they have to work it all out in the race and thats why we're seeing them crash n *** all the time this year.

 

f.eric:

aveli666:

franger:

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

there is a race series called gp2 and there is another race series called gp2 asia series.

that has always been the case since 2005 when gp2 started, 2008 when the asia series started and that is a fact. 

This has been the case for a long time.

Eddie Irvine for example raced in the Japan series rather than the European one.  I can't remeber if it was called F2 or F3000 at that time.

But the point is that they are both GP2 series.

in every racing series the drivers race against each other and classed accordingly so the asia series champion will never be labelled gp2 champion because he never raced against the drivers in gp2. he will always be called gp2 asia series champion. rosberg hamilton and glock will never be called gp2 asia series champions. this is fact. 

In your mind, maybe. Good luck in persuading others that it is. He didn't say champions from 'the GP2 series'. This would denote a specific race series because of the use of 'the' as a direct article. The lack of use of it suggests that he means it in a more general sense, hence him very probably meaning the GP2 concept used in any series that uses those cars.

Be careful about taking things too literally. Unless you can something more to the table other than repeating yourself then that is really it for this topic.

Oh, and so as not to waste another post Mattw42 (I think that's right) made the comment about Estonia not Jack67.

 

thanks for your post f. eric but i am sure you know very well that kobayashi will never be referred to as gp2 champion. he will always be referred to as gp2 asia series champion just like rangers, champions of spl will never be referred to as champions of the epl.

remember f. eric that i only signed up giving the moderators powers to remove offensive phrases from my posts other than that i have not given anyone the power to make choices for me or dictate to me what to do.

i have simply stated facts about the matter. one group of people competing under one set of conditions are in a different serias from another set of people competing in a different set of competition.

even olympic gold medalists are not classed as world champions although they compete against each other. the two gp2 series drivers don't compete against each other so how and why should they be classed as the same? how did you enjoy hamilton taking pole in that fantastic yas marina circuit, a whole 0.7 seconds ahead of the field? hope you enjoy the race tomorrow.

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

franger:

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

there is a race series called gp2 and there is another race series called gp2 asia series.

that has always been the case since 2005 when gp2 started, 2008 when the asia series started and that is a fact. 

This has been the case for a long time.

Eddie Irvine for example raced in the Japan series rather than the European one.  I can't remeber if it was called F2 or F3000 at that time.

But the point is that they are both GP2 series.

in every racing series the drivers race against each other and classed accordingly so the asia series champion will never be labelled gp2 champion because he never raced against the drivers in gp2. he will always be called gp2 asia series champion. rosberg hamilton and glock will never be called gp2 asia series champions. this is fact. 

In your mind, maybe. Good luck in persuading others that it is. He didn't say champions from 'the GP2 series'. This would denote a specific race series because of the use of 'the' as a direct article. The lack of use of it suggests that he means it in a more general sense, hence him very probably meaning the GP2 concept used in any series that uses those cars.

Be careful about taking things too literally. Unless you can something more to the table other than repeating yourself then that is really it for this topic.

Oh, and so as not to waste another post Mattw42 (I think that's right) made the comment about Estonia not Jack67.

 

thanks for your post f. eric but i am sure you know very well that kobayashi will never be referred to as gp2 champion. he will always be referred to as gp2 asia series champion just like rangers, champions of spl will never be referred to as champions of the epl.

remember f. eric that i only signed up giving the moderators powers to remove offensive phrases from my posts other than that i have not given anyone the power to make choices for me or dictate to me what to do.

i have simply stated facts about the matter. one group of people competing under one set of conditions are in a different serias from another set of people competing in a different set of competition.

even olympic gold medalists are not classed as world champions although they compete against each other. the two gp2 series drivers don't compete against each other so how and why should they be classed as the same? how did you enjoy hamilton taking pole in that fantastic yas marina circuit, a whole 0.7 seconds ahead of the field? hope you enjoy the race tomorrow.

You have not stated facts, you have interpreted information stated by another after stating what he said (which is a fact). The fact that you have interpreted it once you quoted it means that your influence has come over the information denying its status as fact. You bellieve your interpretation is right and I don't.

The boy did do well yesterday although I have my eye on quite a few drivers for this race. I will be interested to see where Alonso ends up in that Renault, for one.

f.eric:

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

franger:

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

Well technically yes.

Outside of Renault, he's beaten Glock and Rosberg, kovalainen (he was a GP2 champ right?) Piquet was a tough match for Hamilton and barely lost out, so thats a strong second place man.

 So yeah, he has, like many others.

it's not difficult to google any of the names you have mentioned to find out if they were gp2 champions or not and if you do, you will find out that none of them have been gp2 champion. there is only one gp2 and there is gp2 asian series which was not mentioned in that link above.

is alonso desperate? 

When is GP2 not GP2?

The cars are the same so I guess they have the same basic concept. I wonder if Alonso meant the concept or the series, he doesn't specify. It's a shame isn't it

there is a race series called gp2 and there is another race series called gp2 asia series.

that has always been the case since 2005 when gp2 started, 2008 when the asia series started and that is a fact. 

This has been the case for a long time.

Eddie Irvine for example raced in the Japan series rather than the European one.  I can't remeber if it was called F2 or F3000 at that time.

But the point is that they are both GP2 series.

in every racing series the drivers race against each other and classed accordingly so the asia series champion will never be labelled gp2 champion because he never raced against the drivers in gp2. he will always be called gp2 asia series champion. rosberg hamilton and glock will never be called gp2 asia series champions. this is fact. 

In your mind, maybe. Good luck in persuading others that it is. He didn't say champions from 'the GP2 series'. This would denote a specific race series because of the use of 'the' as a direct article. The lack of use of it suggests that he means it in a more general sense, hence him very probably meaning the GP2 concept used in any series that uses those cars.

Be careful about taking things too literally. Unless you can something more to the table other than repeating yourself then that is really it for this topic.

Oh, and so as not to waste another post Mattw42 (I think that's right) made the comment about Estonia not Jack67.

 

thanks for your post f. eric but i am sure you know very well that kobayashi will never be referred to as gp2 champion. he will always be referred to as gp2 asia series champion just like rangers, champions of spl will never be referred to as champions of the epl.

remember f. eric that i only signed up giving the moderators powers to remove offensive phrases from my posts other than that i have not given anyone the power to make choices for me or dictate to me what to do.

i have simply stated facts about the matter. one group of people competing under one set of conditions are in a different serias from another set of people competing in a different set of competition.

even olympic gold medalists are not classed as world champions although they compete against each other. the two gp2 series drivers don't compete against each other so how and why should they be classed as the same? how did you enjoy hamilton taking pole in that fantastic yas marina circuit, a whole 0.7 seconds ahead of the field? hope you enjoy the race tomorrow.

You have not stated facts, you have interpreted information stated by another after stating what he said (which is a fact). The fact that you have interpreted it once you quoted it means that your influence has come over the information denying its status as fact. You bellieve your interpretation is right and I don't.

The boy did do well yesterday although I have my eye on quite a few drivers for this race. I will be interested to see where Alonso ends up in that Renault, for one.

And the facts you stated about the different series based on the GP2 rules and conditions are not relevant to you interpretation and its status as factual. A football team can still be a champion without specifying the championship. Both descriptions would be accurate when used to define them. To be clear, both Hamilton and Grosjean are GP2 champions because they raced under the the same conditions but they did not race in the same series of GP2.

Again, be careful about being too fixed in your interpretation of someone else's words. It may not be an issue for the moderators but your interpretation of said words may also not be what was meant by the person quoted, therefore not true or factual.

facts

1 gp2 and gp2 asia series are two different motor racing series.

2 kobayashi is gp2 asia series and will never be described as gp2 champion.

3 hamilton rosberg and glock will never be described as gp2 asia series champions.

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