anametoremember:

jbinuk:

justrace:

anametoremember:

End of story!!!

All the critcism Hamilton gets for putting on a show and working around his problems, while Kimi gets a free ride out of all his self made problems and plodding into his...its a bleedin joke isnt it!

Ferrari provided Kimi with a superior car second to non, equal to Massa.....with this superior car, he can only manage 3rd place, behind Hamilton who had a wealth of issues he had to drive around. Kimi by rights, by car, by pay, by experience should have finished second or first....End off story again!

End of story, if it is told differently. Everybody knows and admits that Raikkonen had a poor weekend and only he is to blame for not achieving more. Everybody accepts, and there are not many discussions around that.

The difference with Hamilton is that his fans deny that anything was wrong with his driving and his result. Everything else is to blame, but Hamilton. That's why the discussion around Hamilton does not stop.
 

Very fair comment.. 

Not so much that we deny he does anything wrong, his bashers want to find everything wrong in him...we just enjoy his driving style....its because he is usually doing something pretty impressive even when things go bad....bar ramming into the back of alonso!

You would say that...

I don't think many people have disagreed that Hamilton drove well in Turkey, I certainly have not. But you have found a lot of disagreement in blaming a design fault of the tyre, and that Kovalainen was able to adapt to the problem, but Hamilton had to chose a strategy in qualifying and race which did not allow him to maximise the result, despite an inspired drive during the race.

anametoremember:

jbinuk:

anametoremember:

RaggedEdge:

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

amyyy89:

LOL.. exactly!  "pushing the limits" is merely an excuse for when lewis puts a foot wrong.. like if he crashes or something, he's seen as pushing the limits more so than any other driver, its rubbish, he's just not as good a driver as others on the track! 

Kimi was pushing the limits of the fastest car on the grid in Turkey and came in third behind Massa and Hamilton, who was in a slower car with a failing wheel problem...

Says it all really...

did kimi not have a broken wing...
 

Unknown...

Clearly, Kimi's problem stem from his mistakes in qualifying, followed by the start... Massa had no such problems...and Hamilton managed to work around his.

End of story!!!

All the critcism Hamilton gets for putting on a show and working around his problems, while Kimi gets a free ride out of all his self made problems and plodding into his...its a bleedin joke isnt it!

Ferrari provided Kimi with a superior car second to non, equal to Massa.....with this superior car, he can only manage 3rd place, behind Hamilton who had a wealth of issues he had to drive around. Kimi by rights, by car, by pay, by experience should have finished second or first....End off story again!

 That is true..Ferrari is providing Kimi a very good car...but can you please tell me who won the title last year??? and who is leading the championship at the moment?

..END OF STORY.
 

By one point to a rookie, who lost it badly in his last 2 races, with a 2WDC trouble making team mate HA!

....though Kimi won 6 races...2 more than either FA or LH.

And besides doesnt matter by how many points you win a title. The driver with most points after the last race wins..no more no less.

anametoremember:

By one point to a rookie, who lost it badly in his last 2 races, with a 2WDC trouble making team mate HA!

Wow what a coincidence!!!! The 2 x WDC also had a trouble making team mate, isn't that strange!

I have to shed some light on this particular problem, Re Hamiltons Tyres.

I have studied his driving style very closely over the last two years and can conclude with my degree in enginearing, that Hamiltons does have a Tyre problem.

The very latest software technology was used, with a lot of slowmotion video capture to examine fine detail between the pixels.

I can conclude that Hamiltons Tyre Problem is caused by rotation.

And futher conclusion would be that if he could rotate them a little faster, say than Kimi's tyres, his problems would soon fade away, like a little graining on the tyres.

baldyone:

I have to shed some light on this particular problem, Re Hamiltons Tyres.

I have studied his driving style very closely over the last two years and can conclude with my degree in enginearing, that Hamiltons does have a Tyre problem.

The very latest software technology was used, with a lot of slowmotion video capture to examine fine detail between the pixels.

I can conclude that Hamiltons Tyre Problem is caused by rotation.

And futher conclusion would be that if he could rotate them a little faster, say than Kimi's tyres, his problems would soon fade away, like a little graining on the tyres.

baldyone:

I have to shed some light on this particular problem, Re Hamiltons Tyres.

I have studied his driving style very closely over the last two years and can conclude with my degree in enginearing, that Hamiltons does have a Tyre problem.

The very latest software technology was used, with a lot of slowmotion video capture to examine fine detail between the pixels.

I can conclude that Hamiltons Tyre Problem is caused by rotation.

And futher conclusion would be that if he could rotate them a little faster, say than Kimi's tyres, his problems would soon fade away, like a little graining on the tyres.

If you had a degree in ENGINEERING then maybe you'd be able to spell it properly...  

Yeah, he probably does work them a little too hard,certainly in Turkey, but it's probably just a consequence of having to work that little bit harder. Mclaren have had their development curtailed this year, and consequently their probably a little off the pace in a few areas. so the driver is having to work a bit harder.

Heikki is getting the job done admirably, just at the moment he is not getting 'the rub of the green'. 

Lewis is showing a bit of youthful exuberance, hell even young men who get paid s**tloads of money have that in them. I prefer to see that the win at all costs mentality of recent years.

Anyway, it's entertaining. As long as he keeps driving like in the multiple apex turn 8 as he did in final qualy I'll keep watching.

pjvenkman:

baldyone:

I have to shed some light on this particular problem, Re Hamiltons Tyres.

I have studied his driving style very closely over the last two years and can conclude with my degree in enginearing, that Hamiltons does have a Tyre problem.

The very latest software technology was used, with a lot of slowmotion video capture to examine fine detail between the pixels.

I can conclude that Hamiltons Tyre Problem is caused by rotation.

And futher conclusion would be that if he could rotate them a little faster, say than Kimi's tyres, his problems would soon fade away, like a little graining on the tyres.

 

If you had a degree in ENGINEERING then maybe you'd be able to spell it properly...  

Anyway Lewis is rotating his tyres faster than Kimi in second practice and hence there is no mention of tyre problems. Proof if ever i saw it, or heard it in this case.

baldyone:

pjvenkman:

baldyone:

I have to shed some light on this particular problem, Re Hamiltons Tyres.

I have studied his driving style very closely over the last two years and can conclude with my degree in enginearing, that Hamiltons does have a Tyre problem.

The very latest software technology was used, with a lot of slowmotion video capture to examine fine detail between the pixels.

I can conclude that Hamiltons Tyre Problem is caused by rotation.

And futher conclusion would be that if he could rotate them a little faster, say than Kimi's tyres, his problems would soon fade away, like a little graining on the tyres.

 

If you had a degree in ENGINEERING then maybe you'd be able to spell it properly...  

Your right, but enginearing, was a play on listening to engines, which is what we all do watching Gp's. unless you press mute on your tv, or stick your fingers in your ears while watching live.

Anyway Lewis is rotating his tyres faster than Kimi in second practice and hence there is no mention of tyre problems. Proof if ever i saw it, or heard it in this case.

Ahh okay. In that case I stand corrected.

However it's not the amount of times a tyre rotates in comparison to that of your rivals that causes excessive wear (unless it's wheelspin) it's the amount of distance the tyre slides sideways effectively scrubbing the surface of the tyre that causes wear, and hamilton does like to have his car sideways a bit... Fun to watch, but not really the fastest way around a race track.

But if people like that sort of thing then, meh... I guess we'll be having F1 drift championships before too long then...  

baldyone:

Anyway Lewis is rotating his tyres faster than Kimi in second practice and hence there is no mention of tyre problems. Proof if ever i saw it, or heard it in this case.

The tyre problem in Turkey and the advantage in Monaco is all result of the same cause. The McLaren puts more pressure on the tyre, which gives a one lap advantage, but in Turkey results in too much wear of the soft tyre and too much pressure on the side wall in turn 8.

OK People.

 Firstly the ferrari is by far the most superior car on the grid. FACT. The mclaren is probaly second best if not 3rd depending on tracks. (BMW). 

Because the Ferrari is that much better, they can easily run the car softer (helps the tyres and the drivers have much easier time without TC control) hence they can have an overall better race setup.

 However at at track like Monaco Lewis stands out a mile as he can and has to run a stiffer car and can control the car without TC unlike Massa and Raika who obvoiusly have a much softer setup, so Lewis can get the temp in tyres quickly. Lewis is fantastic to watch on this track. 

I reckon if Lewis was in a Ferrari he would make Massa look like Coulthard!!

simondoe:

OK People.

Firstly the ferrari is by far the most superior car on the grid. FACT. The mclaren is probaly second best if not 3rd depending on tracks. (BMW).

Because the Ferrari is that much better, they can easily run the car softer (helps the tyres and the drivers have much easier time without TC control) hence they can have an overall better race setup.

However at at track like Monaco Lewis stands out a mile as he can and has to run a stiffer car and can control the car without TC unlike Massa and Raika who obvoiusly have a much softer setup, so Lewis can get the temp in tyres quickly. Lewis is fantastic to watch on this track.

I reckon if Lewis was in a Ferrari he would make Massa look like Coulthard!!

Not sure I would call the Ferrari superior. It seems the quicker car, and certainly easier on the tyre, but otherwise I agree.

Err, no, I do not agree with the last sentence, that does no justice to Coulthard, who had some excellent results in Monaco. Massa on the other hand, I don't think it is a track he likes at all.