It's about time the nurse started to strike as they have been walked all over for years.  They are expected not to strike and just get on with their job.

Well given that their starting salary is also £20,000 I can't see as they have anything to complain about.  Some can only dream of earning that much in underpaid undervalued jobs. 

jomcc1975:

It's about time the nurse started to strike as they have been walked all over for years.  They are expected not to strike and just get on with their job.

nurses should be paid far more than they are, they deserve every penny they get, its a disgrace.... incidentally, why 10 different posts on the same subject,? why not just answer the original post.???/

nurses should be paid far more than they are, they deserve every penny they get,

Yes I'd give up my home and the shirt off my back for nurses.  They are definitely angels imo.   Whether they'd be so "caring" if they didn't get £20.000+ per year is a different matter!  Although ... those in oncology seem to be a decent bunch (on the surface at least).

 

I will garauntee you one thing Rosie - no-one ever became a Nurse because of the Salary!

£20K p.a is not a great deal these days but you seem to think it motivation enough for a vocation.

This is the point. Nursing is a vocation and most will choose it because they have that kind of personality, one that has a desire to help and to make a difference. Same as Teachers.

So yes they would be just as caring on £15k p.a or on £25k p.a and quite frankly you should be ashamed of yourself for even alledging any other motivation and your attempt to backtrack above just contradicts your arguments even more.

in reply to the comment re nurses and teachers having a "vocation" ; both sets know they can leave at any time to  end up in a job that maybe doesnt pay as much....is that when they think their job is a vocation?

Who says they will end up in a job that does not pay as much? Moving from the service sector to corporate sector can pay off big time for some.

I am sure you know but a vocation is a calling, something someone is drawn to because they have particular talents that will see them good.

 

Teachers bless them...lol.

 Having read most of the posts, I can agree with both sides of argument, yes there are causes for concern when it comes to re-education and training courses for the teaching fraternity.  Yes it can be a tough job especially with some of the little beggars they get thru the door on a daily basis.  And yes I agree that some parents need a good kick up the backside for letting their children run riot during schooling.  And of course there are politics, management and leadership concerns coupled with indifferent systems of work.

As for pay increase I don’t think so, considering the wages that some are on now 100K plus for head teachers, 50-60K plus for deputies and 2-3K additional pay i.e. for writing G&T reports, I think teachers should think themselves lucky.

Yes they have had to go through Uni and in some cases get paid less than their counterparts in industry, however this is not always the case and it’s their choice to go into teaching.  If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

Having to pay your Uni fees back, course you should, why should the taxpayer foot your bill, if you are moaning about other Uni students who get their fees payed I sympathise because they shouldn’t get theirs payed either.  Taxpayers don’t won’t to pay for any students drinking habits...lol.

 Stressful job, I really don’t think so either..lol, there are pressures of work in teaching, if you are experiencing stress; it’s of your own doings.  Lets look at stress and a pressurised job, the policeman/woman who gets stabbed with a heroin addicts needle, the prison officer who has to deal with the dregs of society, the nurse who gets sprayed with someone’s blood in A&E, the fireman when not doing a second job...lol who saves a child from a burning house and the soldier who gets shot at and blown up by IEDs, all get paid far less.

Let’s not forget the guys and girls who work in a normal job i.e. manual, office, retail work, and a lot of these guys get paid a bare minimum and actually pay your wages Teacher.

So come on Teachers, take a long hard look at yourselves and you will realise how lucky you are.

 

warvetnowdodger:

Teachers bless them...lol.

  Stressful job, I really don’t think so either..lol, there are pressures of work in teaching, if you are experiencing stress; it’s of your own doings.  Lets look at stress and a pressurised job, the policeman/woman who gets stabbed with a heroin addicts needle, the prison officer who has to deal with the dregs of society, the nurse who gets sprayed with someone’s blood in A&E, the fireman when not doing a second job...lol who saves a child from a burning house and the soldier who gets shot at and blown up by IEDs, all get paid far less.

Nurses apart and Prison Officers, are you sure of this? Whilst I agree with a lot you say your argument fails here. The Police and Fire Service pay equivalent rates and that soldier makes more but that is another argument. If you want to argue who has the most vital job then there are sound arguments for all of the above, depends on your perspective.

Where did £100k come from as Head Teacher pay? I find that incredibly unlikely unless it is one of the top tier private schools. So what we are talking about is the bread and butter Teacher who earns the same as a junior manager in a sales firm or one of the banks, in fact pick any private corporate body and the salaries are much the same. What kind of motivation drives someone to take the teaching path?

Stress comes in a lot of forms, and it is problematic to attempt to grade it as "that stress is worse than that one".

I am not a Teacher but I do have a vested interest in ensuring that we have very good ones.

 

Quincypheonix,  You must try harder with your spelling and that goes for most of you ! I thought someone might have noticed that Teacher`s Strike should be Teachers` Strike.  Dear, dear me.....

jestaudio   Your wife and the other striking teachers should have taken their problems out on the government.  After all the Government are the paymasters who set these unrealistic targets -  not the parents who had lost pay on those strike days. Respect from pupils for teachers, police etc has disappeared. Looking at these expensive cars in the schools'  staff carparks show they cannot be all that hard up. A number of them has 'partners' who also work.  They do not have to re-arrange their lives around the school the way working parents have to. 'Training' days should be during the six week summer holidays. I'm surprised your wife did not correct your spelling.

 

 

"'Training' days should be during the six week summer holidays."

 

For clarification, pupils have always had the same number of teaching days and holidays. When the training days (Baker Days then) were introduced they came off teachers' holiday entitlement: thus with their introduction teachers' holidays were reduced by 5 days.

I find it very amusing teachers moaning about lack of pay especialy when I look around the school carparks and see the sort of cars a lot of teachers drive.You get paid more than our soldiers yet do they go on strike "NO" yet they put their lives on the line for the paltry amount they get.

Its about time teachers got their priorities correct if they dont like the pay swap jobs get a job that pays more its really that simple.As for training days I've had from very reliable sources that on number of occassions on these supposed training days either teachers didnt attend or it was used as an excuse for a good old knees up..

There are people out there doing jobs like security guards who get paid a pittance for what they do and believe me its not always easy work,on a number of occassions whilst working as a security guard I have had to pull 48hr shifts just to get a decent pay to pay rent,even after a 48hr straight shift I'd be lucky to take home £150 so when you lot have something to moan about maybe you'll get more sympathy untill then give it a rest.

I believe that parents not teachers should decide whether they want Sats to continue.

Perhaps ITV Ed should have paid more attention at school. A teacher's strike suggests a solo protest since the apostrophe is indicative of first person possession. This is somewhat more confused by the use of mass to suggest many teachers are taking part. What you should have written is of course mass teachers' strike.

Equally lamentable are the inaccuracies in comments by acting teachers. What hope for our children?