anametoremember:

ptaylor747:

Heikki seemed to make them last OK, and the last time I checked he was also driving a Mclaren.  Lewis cannot manage his tyre attrition and that was the only reason he three-stopped - nothing to do with Bridgestone.

What do you mean cant manage his tyres? he managed his tyres pretty alright to me in Turkey, there was no evidence of tyre delapidation, even if he came in 5-7 las before Massa was it? All Lewis done was changed his senario, made sure he didnt have a repeat of last years incident and AGAIN drove the best race of his life....or the best drive since I say 1998-1999 dry weather racing!

THAT, performance was one of the reasons why I was hooked on F1 in the first place, that and hoping Mika would come back year after year but he didnt, however Hamilton has come in and relightened my passon for F1. Driving like that is all I ask for, one may not be able to win, but put on a good performance, overtake when you can...especially if car at time is lighter and faster, burn some rubber...and happy days!

I think i will watch this turkey race everyday till Monaco comes on...phenominal, awesome absolutely superior driving skills!

Bridgestone are doing a crap job, if they can't allow a driver to push the limits of the car... I hear Bridgestone may ask Hamilton to test their tires for them this week, because their test drivers aren't all that great ( a bit like most of the F1 field, to be honest...)

Lewi's pass on Massa was because he hardly had any fuel in the car. Nothing else. How come he couldn't pass massa on his 3rd stint. Soft tyres not so good for lewis maybe?? Or maybe lewis needs to look after his tyres a bit better and could get away with 2 pit stops like all the other drivers. 

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

ptaylor747:

Heikki seemed to make them last OK, and the last time I checked he was also driving a Mclaren.  Lewis cannot manage his tyre attrition and that was the only reason he three-stopped - nothing to do with Bridgestone.

What do you mean cant manage his tyres? he managed his tyres pretty alright to me in Turkey, there was no evidence of tyre delapidation, even if he came in 5-7 las before Massa was it? All Lewis done was changed his senario, made sure he didnt have a repeat of last years incident and AGAIN drove the best race of his life....or the best drive since I say 1998-1999 dry weather racing!

THAT, performance was one of the reasons why I was hooked on F1 in the first place, that and hoping Mika would come back year after year but he didnt, however Hamilton has come in and relightened my passon for F1. Driving like that is all I ask for, one may not be able to win, but put on a good performance, overtake when you can...especially if car at time is lighter and faster, burn some rubber...and happy days!

I think i will watch this turkey race everyday till Monaco comes on...phenominal, awesome absolutely superior driving skills!

Bridgestone are doing a crap job, if they can't allow a driver to push the limits of the car... I hear Bridgestone may ask Hamilton to test their tires for them this week, because their test drivers aren't all that great ( a bit like most of the F1 field, to be honest...)

The other 19 drivers, incl a 2 time WDC, a 1 time WDC and a Mclaren driver, all seem to be able to push as hard as they want to on Bridgestone tyres so it seems a little harsh to blame them when it's only one driver having the problem.  It isn't as though Lewis and tyre problems is an isolated incident!

I totally agree with you Ptaylor!

Lewis needs to take a bit more care of his tyres if he ever wants to become champ. At the moment i'd put my money on Kimi or Heikki to fight it out. Maybe Massa and lewis can fight it out for 3rd spot.

red beasts:

I totally agree with you Ptaylor!

Lewis needs to take a bit more care of his tyres if he ever wants to become champ. At the moment i'd put my money on Kimi or Heikki to fight it out. Maybe Massa and lewis can fight it out for 3rd spot.

 Its not as if he is constantly smoking his tyres is he?? Lewis has an aggressive driving style and likes to give the car some stick. I think Bridgestone should be manufacturing something which will not fail when someone drives them hard - although the return to slicks i think will benefit Lewis.

 Also, if you'd put your money on the fight being between Kimi and Heikki, i'll happily be your bookie!!

mr f1:

red beasts:

I totally agree with you Ptaylor!

Lewis needs to take a bit more care of his tyres if he ever wants to become champ. At the moment i'd put my money on Kimi or Heikki to fight it out. Maybe Massa and lewis can fight it out for 3rd spot.

 Its not as if he is constantly smoking his tyres is he?? Lewis has an aggressive driving style and likes to give the car some stick. I think Bridgestone should be manufacturing something which will not fail when someone drives them hard - although the return to slicks i think will benefit Lewis.

 Also, if you'd put your money on the fight being between Kimi and Heikki, i'll happily be your bookie!!

I would have thought Bridgestone would know about aggressive driving styles by now. After all, they did cater for the same style with Michael Schumacher...

The fact a driver isn't allowed to push a car to the limit because of FIA specified tires would ring alarm bells...

Bridgestone need to provide a range of tires, so a team/driver can pick the set which matches their level of skill... it's only fair... rather then handicap the better drivers by forcing them to go slow and cruise...

I thought that the outcome was boring!!....the top three finished as they started (with the exception of poor old HK)....why they bothered to drive around in circles for all that time beats me......yes an entertaining race but what did the podium finishers achieve.............?

 

Y'all should have watched British Super Bikes...now that was racing. 

RaggedEdge:

mr f1:

red beasts:

I totally agree with you Ptaylor!

Lewis needs to take a bit more care of his tyres if he ever wants to become champ. At the moment i'd put my money on Kimi or Heikki to fight it out. Maybe Massa and lewis can fight it out for 3rd spot.

 Its not as if he is constantly smoking his tyres is he?? Lewis has an aggressive driving style and likes to give the car some stick. I think Bridgestone should be manufacturing something which will not fail when someone drives them hard - although the return to slicks i think will benefit Lewis.

 Also, if you'd put your money on the fight being between Kimi and Heikki, i'll happily be your bookie!!

I would have thought Bridgestone would know about aggressive driving styles by now. After all, they did cater for the same style with Michael Schumacher...

The fact a driver isn't allowed to push a car to the limit because of FIA specified tires would ring alarm bells...

Bridgestone need to provide a range of tires, so a team/driver can pick the set which matches their level of skill... it's only fair... rather then handicap the better drivers by forcing them to go slow and cruise...

This isn't about pushing a car to it's limits or how quick or slow a driver is, it's about the setup of his car and the abuse he hands out to his tyres.  Going sideways does not mean going quickly but that will eat up his tyres.  He needs to learn to go quicky in a straight line and setup his car to not eat his tyres.  All part of being a top-line F1 driver IMO.

There is nothing wrong with the Bridgestone tyres as 19 other drivers clearly demonstrated - all the problems here belong to Lewis and not Bridgestone.

mr f1:

red beasts:

I totally agree with you Ptaylor!

Lewis needs to take a bit more care of his tyres if he ever wants to become champ. At the moment i'd put my money on Kimi or Heikki to fight it out. Maybe Massa and lewis can fight it out for 3rd spot.

 Its not as if he is constantly smoking his tyres is he?? Lewis has an aggressive driving style and likes to give the car some stick. I think Bridgestone should be manufacturing something which will not fail when someone drives them hard - although the return to slicks i think will benefit Lewis.

 Also, if you'd put your money on the fight being between Kimi and Heikki, i'll happily be your bookie!!

The problem is not Hamilton's driving style as such, but his inability to adjust his style to the track. Looks like Hamilton knows only one way of driving and has little margin with it. As long as this does not change he will always have problems at certain tracks or conditions.

ptaylor747:

RaggedEdge:

mr f1:

red beasts:

I totally agree with you Ptaylor!

Lewis needs to take a bit more care of his tyres if he ever wants to become champ. At the moment i'd put my money on Kimi or Heikki to fight it out. Maybe Massa and lewis can fight it out for 3rd spot.

 Its not as if he is constantly smoking his tyres is he?? Lewis has an aggressive driving style and likes to give the car some stick. I think Bridgestone should be manufacturing something which will not fail when someone drives them hard - although the return to slicks i think will benefit Lewis.

 Also, if you'd put your money on the fight being between Kimi and Heikki, i'll happily be your bookie!!

I would have thought Bridgestone would know about aggressive driving styles by now. After all, they did cater for the same style with Michael Schumacher...

The fact a driver isn't allowed to push a car to the limit because of FIA specified tires would ring alarm bells...

Bridgestone need to provide a range of tires, so a team/driver can pick the set which matches their level of skill... it's only fair... rather then handicap the better drivers by forcing them to go slow and cruise...

This isn't about pushing a car to it's limits or how quick or slow a driver is, it's about the setup of his car and the abuse he hands out to his tyres.  Going sideways does not mean going quickly but that will eat up his tyres.  He needs to learn to go quicky in a straight line and setup his car to not eat his tyres.  All part of being a top-line F1 driver IMO.

There is nothing wrong with the Bridgestone tyres as 19 other drivers clearly demonstrated - all the problems here belong to Lewis and not Bridgestone.

But none of those other 19 drivers are comparable to Michael Schumacher...

Michael was fast and got a lot of speed through corners by sliing the rear tires... it's one of the most effective and amazing things I've seen any driver do...

And good on Hamilton for learning from the best, and avoiding the dull cruise driver from the other 19.

RaggedEdge:

ptaylor747:

RaggedEdge:

mr f1:

red beasts:

I totally agree with you Ptaylor!

Lewis needs to take a bit more care of his tyres if he ever wants to become champ. At the moment i'd put my money on Kimi or Heikki to fight it out. Maybe Massa and lewis can fight it out for 3rd spot.

 Its not as if he is constantly smoking his tyres is he?? Lewis has an aggressive driving style and likes to give the car some stick. I think Bridgestone should be manufacturing something which will not fail when someone drives them hard - although the return to slicks i think will benefit Lewis.

 Also, if you'd put your money on the fight being between Kimi and Heikki, i'll happily be your bookie!!

I would have thought Bridgestone would know about aggressive driving styles by now. After all, they did cater for the same style with Michael Schumacher...

The fact a driver isn't allowed to push a car to the limit because of FIA specified tires would ring alarm bells...

Bridgestone need to provide a range of tires, so a team/driver can pick the set which matches their level of skill... it's only fair... rather then handicap the better drivers by forcing them to go slow and cruise...

This isn't about pushing a car to it's limits or how quick or slow a driver is, it's about the setup of his car and the abuse he hands out to his tyres.  Going sideways does not mean going quickly but that will eat up his tyres.  He needs to learn to go quicky in a straight line and setup his car to not eat his tyres.  All part of being a top-line F1 driver IMO.

There is nothing wrong with the Bridgestone tyres as 19 other drivers clearly demonstrated - all the problems here belong to Lewis and not Bridgestone.

But none of those other 19 drivers are comparable to Michael Schumacher...

Michael was fast and got a lot of speed through corners by sliing the rear tires... it's one of the most effective and amazing things I've seen any driver do...

And good on Hamilton for learning from the best, and avoiding the dull cruise driver from the other 19.

So LH, 4 wins and zero WDC's is comparable to MS, 91 wins and 7 WDC's????? 

I'm in danger of repeating myself here!  If the other drivers were cruising how come one of them finished 3.5 secs ahead of LH and another just 0.5 sec behind him?

 

RaggedEdge:

But none of those other 19 drivers are comparable to Michael Schumacher...

Michael was fast and got a lot of speed through corners by sliing the rear tires... it's one of the most effective and amazing things I've seen any driver do...

And good on Hamilton for learning from the best, and avoiding the dull cruise driver from the other 19.

 

Hamilton's approach to racing, especially last year, was sorta like how one races F1 games on the PS2 or PS3. Not surprising since he grew up playing these games. Thats actually what his style is like. It may seem funny to say, but its true.

RaggedEdge:

But none of those other 19 drivers are comparable to Michael Schumacher...

Michael was fast and got a lot of speed through corners by sliing the rear tires... it's one of the most effective and amazing things I've seen any driver do...

And good on Hamilton for learning from the best, and avoiding the dull cruise driver from the other 19.

Schumacher was the master of adjusting to track and tyres. He drove with slicks in the wet, intermediates on dry, you name it. Schumacher could have run a one stop on any track if he wanted, because he had the skill of being able to look after the tyres. Hamilton cannot chose or adapt or make his tyres last when needed. In tyre management Hamilton is far from Schumacher. I hope he'll learn it, though. 

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

But none of those other 19 drivers are comparable to Michael Schumacher...

Michael was fast and got a lot of speed through corners by sliing the rear tires... it's one of the most effective and amazing things I've seen any driver do...

And good on Hamilton for learning from the best, and avoiding the dull cruise driver from the other 19.

Schumacher was the master of adjusting to track and tyres. He drove with slicks in the wet, intermediates on dry, you name it. Schumacher could have run a one stop on any track if he wanted, because he had the skill of being able to look after the tyres. Hamilton cannot chose or adapt or make his tyres last when needed. In tyre management Hamilton is far from Schumacher. I hope he'll learn it, though. 

 

I agree, comparing Hamilton with Schumacher is pretty ludicrous at this stage. No way can you compare them at such an early point in Hamilton's career. Lets remember all the other "future champions" that never materialised: Capelli, Alesi, Comas, Barrichello and far more anonymous names that were all tipped as future champions. The fact is, after 1 season, we cannot judge Hamilton. Let alone compare him to Schumacher.

 

Remember that no F3000 or GP2 champion has ever won the F1 WDC. Pretty amazing when you think about it, considering F3000 was the feeder series for F1 for over 20 years.

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

But none of those other 19 drivers are comparable to Michael Schumacher...

Michael was fast and got a lot of speed through corners by sliing the rear tires... it's one of the most effective and amazing things I've seen any driver do...

And good on Hamilton for learning from the best, and avoiding the dull cruise driver from the other 19.

Schumacher was the master of adjusting to track and tyres. He drove with slicks in the wet, intermediates on dry, you name it. Schumacher could have run a one stop on any track if he wanted, because he had the skill of being able to look after the tyres. Hamilton cannot chose or adapt or make his tyres last when needed. In tyre management Hamilton is far from Schumacher. I hope he'll learn it, though. 

 I'd suggest you are all comparing a Schumacher after many many years experience in F1 to Lewis at the start of his 2nd season. The boy has a lot to learn clearly - as did Schuey after 1 season, however I believe he shows signs of similar talent. After 10 years in F1 I dare say Lewis will have adapted his driving style to maximise his speed as Schumacher did. Lets hope he doesn't develop a similar tendancy to ram people of the road or park conveniently to block qualifying (unless its against Renault as i particularly dislike them!).

 Hamilton vs Kubica is the future of F1.