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Mr.Woody:

Does anyone have any insight to why it was only Hamilton who had "tyre worries".

Could it be cause by how he likes the car sliding around?
 

His driving style, he is a pure racer who likes to burn those rubbers. He could have done a 2 stopper and done some careful driving. Who cares what their problem was quite frankly, it was fantastic to watch. Dont know what he is going to do for Monaco though?

Its a failing of his, an entertaining failing but a failing none the less....

Please, and he should have mossied along like Kimi instead of doing the necessary thing to LIKE (use the pit stops) drive you car to the max, and burn some rubber? Who said it was a failing, I didnt see his tyres fall, but I saw one hell of a drive!! A failing would have been ending his race how he did last season, he didnt he learnt from his mistake, changed up his senario and drove the best race off his life!

Hush child. Kimi finished 0.5 seconds behind Lewis, so by your (lack of) reasoning Hamilton was only as fast as Kimi pottering at Lewis' fastest . Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Lewis' abilities.

Yeah after Hamilton done 3 stops, and how long does a stop last for? If Michael Schumacher done what Hamilton done yesterday, he would have been hailed as a master of strategies...end off! The fact that Hamilton spent over a minute in all 3 pits stops all together tells me Kimi has enough time to alter his wing in one of his stops, and burnt some rubber if he wanted to! But he is a lackluster racer who plays it safe...and the safe approach (though kimi is a good guy) is boring and killing of this sport!

People blame the FIA for rules changes and slowing down this sport, yesterday (though i expect Hamilton cant perform like this at every race circuit) proved it doesn't have to be the case! What is also good about this performance is McLaren on the whole are crap at strategies, and I have been a McLaren support for the last 10-11 years, I should know!...Hamilton worked this out good and proper!

When MS adopted a different strategy he usually ended up winning the race, Lewis on the other hand lost ground to the car in front and slipped into the hands of the car behind.

Kimi worked around the problem with his wing and was not losing enough time to warrant a change, whereas Lewis on the other hand in 1 year and 5 races of F1 has still not learnt to manage his tyres - it cost him last year and it's going to cost him again this year.

Maybe you could point out what was so good about 3-stopping because I fail to see how Lewis 'worked it out good and proper'?

Hamilton lost ground on the soft tyres, as the car didnt work well with them, telling anyone with any ounce of COMMON SENSE, he done the best, given the senario of last season, and the car not feeling right on the softs......he left it to the last possible place to drive on them.....and if he was allowed back on the hard tyres, Kimi would not have been 0.5 seconds behind him, I think Hamilton would have been ready to overtake Massa for a second time!

I am not about careful driving, if i want to watch careful driving I will book an appointment to watch a learner take a theory and practical test. I am watching F1, to see a driver push their car to a limit, maximum, full throttle, the edge, the boundaries and them some more...hamilton done that...end off!

It seems that common sense would have said to stop twice as Lewis' team-mate did, and pretty much all the other drivers did.

While the Mclaren doesn't work on softs it's also widely known that the Ferrari does not work too well on the hards so I guess that all 4 drivers have to work with what they've got. The problem here is that the 3 other drivers seem to be able to adapt and make things work for them, Lewis on the other hand has to totally sacrifice the optimum race strategy to ensure he can cross the finish line - not an ideal situation to be in.

Facts will maintain that just prior to the 1st pit stop Lewis was about 7+ secs ahead of Kimi, after all pit stops had been compelted this was down to about 1.5 secs so for all of Lewis' 'pushing to the limit, maximum, on the edge' it was actually slower that a Ferrari with a dodgy front wing!!

I'm glad you enjoyed watching Lewis drive his car, I also enjoyed it, but from the drivers/teams point of views it has to be effective and Lewis wasn't.

Then COMMON SENSE has failed you, because that means Hamilton would have taken the risk of a tyre blow, which they were avoiding in the first something damn place and the car didnt work wrll on the softs! Which could have well meant Hamilton would have had to have been much more careful on the softs for longer, Kimi could have well hunted him down...maybe even Kubica! And Hamiltons car being heavier on fuel at the beggining and 1st and second stop!

Look at his last stop on softs, he was VERY light on fuel, yet Kimi was gaining on him very quickly, imagine Hamilton on softs (worried about a tyre blow) with a heavier fuel load....it would have been a very different boring race!

Like I said, I am not here to watch BORING careful racing, I am watching F1 to see a driver pushing plenty! Besides i think Kimi was telling PORKIES about his wing and puncture, there are no pictures or incidication of such things on kimis car....You cant overtake Alonso and Leap frog Kubica on his stint before the pits, with a puncture and wing problem. Neither could one cut into a McLaren lead even on softs with a wing problem....its called EXCUSES for not making the most out of a superior car, when someone else had issues to deal with a drove plenty!

 

Common sense hasn't failed me.  Common sense tells me that a two-stop strategy is quicker than a three-stop around Istanbul.  Therefore common sense told 19 drivers that they need to stop twice in order to complete the race as quickly as possible.

Unfortuantely the 20th driver could not make the tyres last on a 2-stop strategy (even though the other Mclaren managed this perfectly fine, so don't blame the car), and therefore had to sacrifice the quick way round for the slower way round to ensure he completed the race.

Lewis wasn't VERY light on fuel after the last stop! He had the same amount of fuel as Kimi - enough to get him to the end of the race.

I did look at his last stint on stops and Kimi was indeed catching him, but as I said previously, before the pit stops started he was 7+ secs ahead of Kimi and after the pit stops that was reduced to 1.5 secs, so COMMON SENSE and FACTS tells me that he couldn't have been going that fast could he? Sideways may look good but isn't necessarily quick, something Lewis needs to learn and PDQ!

stayahead:

Hamilton is harder on his tyres than most drivers, that is just a fact.

 

Under braking he locks up the fronts very often, and he likes an oversteering car so he is sliding the back around under power which grains the rear tyres as well. The fact that Kovi was scheduled to do a normal 2-stop but Hamilton was forced to do 3-stops because of his tyre usage, proves that the problem was specific only to Hamilton.

FYI it is called being a PURE racer, not pandering to the FIA's rules and regulations...Hamilton tore that rule book up completely! I have more respect for a driver burning rubber, it means he is doing something like moving his car about, burning rubber and breaking as late as possible!

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stayahead:

Hamilton is harder on his tyres than most drivers, that is just a fact.

 

Under braking he locks up the fronts very often, and he likes an oversteering car so he is sliding the back around under power which grains the rear tyres as well. The fact that Kovi was scheduled to do a normal 2-stop but Hamilton was forced to do 3-stops because of his tyre usage, proves that the problem was specific only to Hamilton.

FYI it is called being a PURE racer, not pandering to the FIA's rules and regulations...Hamilton tore that rule book up completely! I have more respect for a driver burning rubber, it means he is doing something like moving his car about, burning rubber and breaking as late as possible!

 

I never said there is anything WRONG with it, just that it eats tyres quicker.

 

Its just a different approach, thats all. 

just like he braked late in china and went into the gravel =) If he went slower than im sure he would have made the pit lane corner. Then no one could blame the team for not bringing him in =D

stayahead:

Hamilton is harder on his tyres than most drivers, that is just a fact.

 

Under braking he locks up the fronts very often, and he likes an oversteering car so he is sliding the back around under power which grains the rear tyres as well. The fact that Kovi was scheduled to do a normal 2-stop but Hamilton was forced to do 3-stops because of his tyre usage, proves that the problem was specific only to Hamilton.

annnnnnddddddddd another thing If Heikkis start didnt end up with his collision with Kimi and he got of fine, say in the end he was 4th, 5th...do you even remotely think it would have been possible for Heikki to end up on the podium at all on a two stopper? 2 stops is a safe common option if you havent got the pace, but if heikki was on hamiltons strategy, he would have got of the line faster, came in the pits around the same time and most probably hanging of Hamilton tail for 3rd...if he could handle it that is?

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Mr.Woody:

Does anyone have any insight to why it was only Hamilton who had "tyre worries".

Could it be cause by how he likes the car sliding around?
 

His driving style, he is a pure racer who likes to burn those rubbers. He could have done a 2 stopper and done some careful driving. Who cares what their problem was quite frankly, it was fantastic to watch. Dont know what he is going to do for Monaco though?

Its a failing of his, an entertaining failing but a failing none the less....

Please, and he should have mossied along like Kimi instead of doing the nescessary thing to LIKE (use the pit stops) drive you car to the max, and burn some rubber? Who said it was a failing, I didnt see his tyres fall, but I saw one hell of a drive!! A failing would have been ending his race how he did last season, he didnt he learnt from his mistake, changed up his senario and drove the best race off his life!

Hush child. Kimi finished 0.5 seconds behind Lewis, so by your (lack of) reasoning Hamilton was only as fast as Kimi pottering at lewis' fastest . Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Lewis' abilities.

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Bridgestone has denied that it compelled McLaren to put Lewis Hamilton on a three-stop strategy in Turkey.

 

After finishing second to Felipe Massa, Hamilton suggested that McLaren's strategy had been dictated by Bridgestone because the tyre company feared a repeat of Lewis's 2007 Istanbul tyre failure.

 The above is copied from the ITV.COM/F1 Site.

Like it or love it, I think it would suggest that Lewis picked the wrong stratagy for the race and then tried to cover it up after.

He did drive a good race, not a brilliant race as he should have passed Massa before his first pit stop, he may have wanted to take this Risky Stratagy, but if it worked he definitly would have won. This is what makes Lewis., he is not afraid to take a risk, when it works he is the wonder kid, if not everybody is waiting to critisize him.

Kimi did nothing during the race, much like last year and could have easily came second in the Ferrari if he went a little bit faster in the middle stint, after all he was driving a Ferrari whom most people agree on this forum, is more dominant than the Mclaren.

Lewis didnt deserve 2nd place, but battled his way to it, fair dues to him. 

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Mr.Woody:

Does anyone have any insight to why it was only Hamilton who had "tyre worries".

Could it be cause by how he likes the car sliding around?
 

His driving style, he is a pure racer who likes to burn those rubbers. He could have done a 2 stopper and done some careful driving. Who cares what their problem was quite frankly, it was fantastic to watch. Dont know what he is going to do for Monaco though?

Its a failing of his, an entertaining failing but a failing none the less....

Please, and he should have mossied along like Kimi instead of doing the necessary thing to LIKE (use the pit stops) drive you car to the max, and burn some rubber? Who said it was a failing, I didnt see his tyres fall, but I saw one hell of a drive!! A failing would have been ending his race how he did last season, he didnt he learnt from his mistake, changed up his senario and drove the best race off his life!

Hush child. Kimi finished 0.5 seconds behind Lewis, so by your (lack of) reasoning Hamilton was only as fast as Kimi pottering at Lewis' fastest . Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Lewis' abilities.

Yeah after Hamilton done 3 stops, and how long does a stop last for? If Michael Schumacher done what Hamilton done yesterday, he would have been hailed as a master of strategies...end off! The fact that Hamilton spent over a minute in all 3 pits stops all together tells me Kimi has enough time to alter his wing in one of his stops, and burnt some rubber if he wanted to! But he is a lackluster racer who plays it safe...and the safe approach (though kimi is a good guy) is boring and killing of this sport!

People blame the FIA for rules changes and slowing down this sport, yesterday (though i expect Hamilton cant perform like this at every race circuit) proved it doesn't have to be the case! What is also good about this performance is McLaren on the whole are crap at strategies, and I have been a McLaren support for the last 10-11 years, I should know!...Hamilton worked this out good and proper!

When MS adopted a different strategy he usually ended up winning the race, Lewis on the other hand lost ground to the car in front and slipped into the hands of the car behind.

Kimi worked around the problem with his wing and was not losing enough time to warrant a change, whereas Lewis on the other hand in 1 year and 5 races of F1 has still not learnt to manage his tyres - it cost him last year and it's going to cost him again this year.

Maybe you could point out what was so good about 3-stopping because I fail to see how Lewis 'worked it out good and proper'?

Hamilton lost ground on the soft tyres, as the car didnt work well with them, telling anyone with any ounce of COMMON SENSE, he done the best, given the senario of last season, and the car not feeling right on the softs......he left it to the last possible place to drive on them.....and if he was allowed back on the hard tyres, Kimi would not have been 0.5 seconds behind him, I think Hamilton would have been ready to overtake Massa for a second time!

I am not about careful driving, if i want to watch careful driving I will book an appointment to watch a learner take a theory and practical test. I am watching F1, to see a driver push their car to a limit, maximum, full throttle, the edge, the boundaries and them some more...hamilton done that...end off!

It seems that common sense would have said to stop twice as Lewis' team-mate did, and pretty much all the other drivers did.

While the Mclaren doesn't work on softs it's also widely known that the Ferrari does not work too well on the hards so I guess that all 4 drivers have to work with what they've got. The problem here is that the 3 other drivers seem to be able to adapt and make things work for them, Lewis on the other hand has to totally sacrifice the optimum race strategy to ensure he can cross the finish line - not an ideal situation to be in.

Facts will maintain that just prior to the 1st pit stop Lewis was about 7+ secs ahead of Kimi, after all pit stops had been compelted this was down to about 1.5 secs so for all of Lewis' 'pushing to the limit, maximum, on the edge' it was actually slower that a Ferrari with a dodgy front wing!!

I'm glad you enjoyed watching Lewis drive his car, I also enjoyed it, but from the drivers/teams point of views it has to be effective and Lewis wasn't.

Then COMMON SENSE has failed you, because that means Hamilton would have taken the risk of a tyre blow, which they were avoiding in the first something damn place and the car didnt work wrll on the softs! Which could have well meant Hamilton would have had to have been much more careful on the softs for longer, Kimi could have well hunted him down...maybe even Kubica! And Hamiltons car being heavier on fuel at the beggining and 1st and second stop!

Look at his last stop on softs, he was VERY light on fuel, yet Kimi was gaining on him very quickly, imagine Hamilton on softs (worried about a tyre blow) with a heavier fuel load....it would have been a very different boring race!

Like I said, I am not here to watch BORING careful racing, I am watching F1 to see a driver pushing plenty! Besides i think Kimi was telling PORKIES about his wing and puncture, there are no pictures or incidication of such things on kimis car....You cant overtake Alonso and Leap frog Kubica on his stint before the pits, with a puncture and wing problem. Neither could one cut into a McLaren lead even on softs with a wing problem....its called EXCUSES for not making the most out of a superior car, when someone else had issues to deal with a drove plenty!

Kimi never said he had a puncture. He said he had damage to his front wing. So u call him a liar now. Any good reason or evidence to support this? Didn't think so. Pipe down son. 

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stayahead:

Hamilton is harder on his tyres than most drivers, that is just a fact.

 

Under braking he locks up the fronts very often, and he likes an oversteering car so he is sliding the back around under power which grains the rear tyres as well. The fact that Kovi was scheduled to do a normal 2-stop but Hamilton was forced to do 3-stops because of his tyre usage, proves that the problem was specific only to Hamilton.

annnnnnddddddddd another thing If Heikkis start didnt end up with his collision with Kimi and he got of fine, say in the end he was 4th, 5th...do you even remotely think it would have been possible for Heikki to end up on the podium at all on a two stopper? 2 stops is a safe common option if you havent got the pace, but if heikki was on hamiltons strategy, he would have got of the line faster, came in the pits around the same time and most probably hanging of Hamilton tail for 3rd...if he could handle it that is?

IF is a big word Pure speculation and totally irrelevant.

Have you stopped to consider why 2 stops is a safe common option?  Do you think it's because it's the quicker option?

 

At the end of the day wining is wining and loosing is loosing. Massa won and Lewis didn't so in what way could anyone say Lewis drove better than Massa?

Watching him slide around corners may be entertaining but at the end of the day he only moved up 1 place and that was due to the guy getting a puncture. Sato is another one that can be great to watch but as entertaining as it is watching him drive into someone else, it doesn't win races.

End of the day Lewis can't maintain his tyres and he had to do a slower strategy because of it. Not only that for some unknown reason he can't drive on soft tyres and that cost him even more. What can their be to explain that he gets out qualified by his team mate who's also carrying a lot more fuel other than just a lack of all round ability.

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At the end of the day wining is wining and loosing is loosing. Massa won and Lewis didn't so in what way could anyone say Lewis drove better than Massa?

Watching him slide around corners may be entertaining but at the end of the day he only moved up 1 place and that was due to the guy getting a puncture. Sato is another one that can be great to watch but as entertaining as it is watching him drive into someone else, it doesn't win races.

End of the day Lewis can't maintain his tyres and he had to do a slower strategy because of it. Not only that for some unknown reason he can't drive on soft tyres and that cost him even more. What can their be to explain that he gets out qualified by his team mate who's also carrying a lot more fuel other than just a lack of all round ability.

Dont buy it, we all want to be entertained, if not we wouldnt watch anything and find out the result after sport is finished!

Going sideways is not the fastest way to drive any car but somehow Lewis seems to eek out the performance at the cost (in this case) of his tyres. To come second in any Formula One race is an achievement for sure and although lewis (maybe) could've beaten massa if he had done a 2 stop strategy, he didn't. Massa won fair and square and Hamilton came second fair and square. We al know that Kimi is argueably the fastest driver in F1 so it is fair to say that he didn't have his best race. I would just like to point out also that Mansell, Prost and of course Senna (to name but a few) also used to slide their cars and they didn't do too badly did they??

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Going sideways is not the fastest way to drive any car but somehow Lewis seems to eek out the performance at the cost (in this case) of his tyres. To come second in any Formula One race is an achievement for sure and although lewis (maybe) could've beaten massa if he had done a 2 stop strategy, he didn't. Massa won fair and square and Hamilton came second fair and square. We al know that Kimi is argueably the fastest driver in F1 so it is fair to say that he didn't have his best race. I would just like to point out also that Mansell, Prost and of course Senna (to name but a few) also used to slide their cars and they didn't do too badly did they??

 

You're right about Senna and Mansell. Prost was always quite smooth though I thought. Gilles Villeneuve was the master of this style though. But it was a different era of F1. Back then with sticky wide slick tyres they could get away with it easier. The modern skinny grooved tyres don't seem to like that sort of abuse unfortunately.

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Mr.Woody:

Does anyone have any insight to why it was only Hamilton who had "tyre worries".

Could it be cause by how he likes the car sliding around?
 

I have no doubt that Michael Schumacher would have stressed the wheel construction like Hamilton does...

The Bridgestone are not designed for true racers, they are for cruising only...  also explains why Hamilton was the only one who could take them beyond the limit...

Bridgestone should not be handicapping the racers.