Drive through penalties arnt allowed to be appealed.

Mclaren knew that. Its been in the rule book for ages.

Toyota didnt appeal for Glock in the same race. There smart. Mclaren do it as a ploy to make themselves look hard done by.

The teams full of liars and hypocrits.

900horsepower:

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The court bill accrued by the lawyers from Ferrari and the FIA will cost McLaren at least $500,000, but as much as double that amount, according to reports.

The bill, which accompanies the International Court of Appeal's rejection of its Lewis Hamilton penalty appeal, is another slap in the face of the British team in the eyes of that country's press corps."
Is formula one wringing its own neck. So why did the  Fia not inform McLaren 2 weeks ago that if they appeal that it would mean nothing.Now i can see why.This saddens me,but what must McLaren be thinking,or more to the point Lewis Hamilton.

Interesting one, I first saw the article in F1-live and the same sentence seem to appear everywhere. It is nice to see the power of speculation on speculation.

Still, it would have been nice to see the actual report with the true stated costs rather than making assumptions on numbers. At the end of the day, the fact is there on a piece of paper, no point in making it up and report it the way it has been done.

You and I don't need to worry about Mclaren, as I mention it before, these teams are very close together, the same people been there for years and some have moved around too.  The new "Formula 1 team association"  headed by Ferrari boss, and having directors from Mclaren, BMW and Renault etc, interestingly Ferrari boss was chosen to be the first managing director by these teams!

All I am trying to say is this, these team work together, they make decisions together and they ONLY race each other on track and nothing more. So you are only watching a big family where at times the "cusins" argue with each others and take things from each other, they pay money to their head boss, only to get that back in the form of prize or get re-imbursed for the cost of logistics (I am begining to enjoy speculation too)!!!!!!!!

morgandude:

scarletbecks:

900horsepower:

"The court bill accrued by the lawyers from Ferrari and the FIA will cost McLaren at least $500,000, but as much as double that amount, according to reports.

The bill, which accompanies the International Court of Appeal's rejection of its Lewis Hamilton penalty appeal, is another slap in the face of the British team in the eyes of that country's press corps."
Is formula one wringing its own neck. So why did the  Fia not inform McLaren 2 weeks ago that if they appeal that it would mean nothing.Now i can see why.This saddens me,but what must McLaren be thinking,or more to the point Lewis Hamilton.

 Sorry but when the court date was set, Mclaren were well aware of the chances of winning were slim. But Mclaren nearly always challenge, most other teams, just take it on the nose, but not Mclaren, think they like the publicity.

 

They actually had quite a good case, but it wasn't a neutral, independent  court, so they didn't stand a chance in Hell and maybe shouldn't have bothered! 

 

The verdict was never in doubt. 

 

Having said that, at least they had the guts to stand against corruption, I did admire them for at least making a stand, however pointless it was.

Errr...no.they didn't, they never had a case, I (along with many other people on this site) predicted straight away that it would be thrown out as inadmissable due to the fact that Drive through penalties aren't appealable (is that a word?).  I could have told Ron that and only charged him £1000.00.

You are right, the verdict was never in doubt! (see above)

900horsepower:

"The court bill accrued by the lawyers from Ferrari and the FIA will cost McLaren at least $500,000, but as much as double that amount, according to reports.

The bill, which accompanies the International Court of Appeal's rejection of its Lewis Hamilton penalty appeal, is another slap in the face of the British team in the eyes of that country's press corps."
Is formula one wringing its own neck. So why did the  Fia not inform McLaren 2 weeks ago that if they appeal that it would mean nothing.Now i can see why.This saddens me,but what must McLaren be thinking,or more to the point Lewis Hamilton.

900horsepower:

"The court bill accrued by the lawyers from Ferrari and the FIA will cost McLaren at least $500,000, but as much as double that amount, according to reports.

The bill, which accompanies the International Court of Appeal's rejection of its Lewis Hamilton penalty appeal, is another slap in the face of the British team in the eyes of that country's press corps."
Is formula one wringing its own neck. So why did the  Fia not inform McLaren 2 weeks ago that if they appeal that it would mean nothing.Now i can see why.This saddens me,but what must McLaren be thinking,or more to the point Lewis Hamilton.

To many '0''s in the heading I think you will find

asanator:

 

Errr...no.they didn't, they never had a case, I (along with many other people on this site) predicted straight away that it would be thrown out as inadmissable due to the fact that Drive through penalties aren't appealable (is that a word?).  I could have told Ron that and only charged him £1000.00.

 

You are right, the verdict was never in doubt! (see above)

Blimey thats cheap, I collared Ron in Monza and offered to do the same but I wanted £2000

He said " Sorry mate, ask me tomorrow, I'm not feelin two grand at the minute"

McLaren would have had access to the finest lawyers money can buy. They would have been told that they had no case.

McLaren rely on sponsorship,  the same as any other team, and this publicity would have done them no harm at all.

The $500,000 'standing by our driver' expence will probably be repaid by t-shirt sales alone.

I expect Vodafone are quite pleased too. 

julian s:

McLaren would have had access to the finest lawyers money can buy. They would have been told that they had no case.

McLaren rely on sponsorship,  the same as any other team, and this publicity would have done them no harm at all.

The $500,000 'standing by our driver' expence will probably be repaid by t-shirt sales alone.

I expect Vodafone are quite pleased too. 

 

asanator:

morgandude:

scarletbecks:

900horsepower:

"The court bill accrued by the lawyers from Ferrari and the FIA will cost McLaren at least $500,000, but as much as double that amount, according to reports.

The bill, which accompanies the International Court of Appeal's rejection of its Lewis Hamilton penalty appeal, is another slap in the face of the British team in the eyes of that country's press corps."
Is formula one wringing its own neck. So why did the  Fia not inform McLaren 2 weeks ago that if they appeal that it would mean nothing.Now i can see why.This saddens me,but what must McLaren be thinking,or more to the point Lewis Hamilton.

 Sorry but when the court date was set, Mclaren were well aware of the chances of winning were slim. But Mclaren nearly always challenge, most other teams, just take it on the nose, but not Mclaren, think they like the publicity.

 

They actually had quite a good case, but it wasn't a neutral, independent  court, so they didn't stand a chance in Hell and maybe shouldn't have bothered! 

 

The verdict was never in doubt. 

 

Having said that, at least they had the guts to stand against corruption, I did admire them for at least making a stand, however pointless it was.

 

Errr...no.they didn't, they never had a case, I (along with many other people on this site) predicted straight away that it would be thrown out as inadmissable due to the fact that Drive through penalties aren't appealable (is that a word?).  I could have told Ron that and only charged him £1000.00.

 

You are right, the verdict was never in doubt! (see above)

Yes you are right, they were definitely stitched up by the time penalty, and should not have bothered.

julian s:

McLaren would have had access to the finest lawyers money can buy. They would have been told that they had no case.

McLaren rely on sponsorship,  the same as any other team, and this publicity would have done them no harm at all.

The $500,000 'standing by our driver' expence will probably be repaid by t-shirt sales alone.

I expect Vodafone are quite pleased too. 

 

Contrary to popular belief, not all publicity is good publicity.

julian s:

McLaren would have had access to the finest lawyers money can buy. They would have been told that they had no case.

McLaren rely on sponsorship,  the same as any other team, and this publicity would have done them no harm at all.

The $500,000 'standing by our driver' expence will probably be repaid by t-shirt sales alone.

I expect Vodafone are quite pleased too. 

There isn't such thing as the finest lawyers! You have experienced solicitors or lawyers because they have come across a series of cases. Lawyers don't create magic, they only play back what they have learnt during their course of study.

I can provide you the name of a legal firm where one of the partner is a part time QC (queen's council or a judge), his charges are £200.00 per hour.

In case of Mclaren, they were represented by a company solicitor plus legal advisor, these are although qualified lawyer, without any disrepect to anyone or any group, are like court clerks.

This was not a litigation or criminal or spying case, no one was sueing anyone.  

Those 4 constructor points that Mclaren were fighting for were worth around $1 million, so I guess the media's speculation on the amount probably included that.  

mo1965:

There isn't such thing as the finest lawyers! You have experienced solicitors or lawyers because they have come across a series of cases. Lawyers don't create magic, they only play back what they have learnt during their course of study.

I can provide you the name of a legal firm where one of the partner is a part time QC (queen's council or a judge), his charges are £200.00 per hour.

In case of Mclaren, they were represented by a company solicitor plus legal advisor, these are although qualified lawyer, without any disrepect to anyone or any group, are like court clerks.

This was not a litigation or criminal or spying case, no one was sueing anyone.  

Those 4 constructor points that Mclaren were fighting for were worth around $1 million, so I guess the media's speculation on the amount probably included that.  

 

Mo, these are the people who were in attendance for McLaren in Paris..No less than Five legal representatives, there is no such thing as a part time QC., a QC is also not the same thing as a judge.

As for £200 per hour, well I paid a bill two weeks ago for seven hours of legal work, very close to £2,800, and that was for fairly straightforward company law work, with a local firm,  which didn't involve a QC.

Mark Phillips regularly carries out legal work for (amongst others) the Bank Of England, he's not a "company solicitor" as you suggest.

stigga:

mo1965:

There isn't such thing as the finest lawyers! You have experienced solicitors or lawyers because they have come across a series of cases. Lawyers don't create magic, they only play back what they have learnt during their course of study.

I can provide you the name of a legal firm where one of the partner is a part time QC (queen's council or a judge), his charges are £200.00 per hour.

In case of Mclaren, they were represented by a company solicitor plus legal advisor, these are although qualified lawyer, without any disrepect to anyone or any group, are like court clerks.

This was not a litigation or criminal or spying case, no one was sueing anyone.  

Those 4 constructor points that Mclaren were fighting for were worth around $1 million, so I guess the media's speculation on the amount probably included that.  

 

Mo, these are the people who were in attendance for McLaren in Paris..No less than Five legal representatives, there is no such thing as a part time QC., a QC is also not the same thing as a judge.

As for £200 per hour, well I paid a bill two weeks ago for seven hours of legal work, very close to £2,800, and that was for fairly straightforward company law work, with a local firm,  which didn't involve a QC.

Mark Phillips regularly carries out legal work for (amongst others) the Bank Of England, he's not a "company solicitor" as you suggest.

for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes:

Mark Philips QC (Lawyer)

Lewis Hamilton (Driver)

Philip Prew (Race Engineer)

Martin Whitmarsh (Chief Executive)

Sue Thackeray (Legal representative for Mr Hamilton)

Tim Murnane (Legal representative)

Matt Bishop (McLaren)

David Ryan (Team Manager)

Tom Cassels (Legal representative for McLaren)

Ben Allgrove (Legal representative for McLaren)

 

stigga:

mo1965:

There isn't such thing as the finest lawyers! You have experienced solicitors or lawyers because they have come across a series of cases. Lawyers don't create magic, they only play back what they have learnt during their course of study.

I can provide you the name of a legal firm where one of the partner is a part time QC (queen's council or a judge), his charges are £200.00 per hour.

In case of Mclaren, they were represented by a company solicitor plus legal advisor, these are although qualified lawyer, without any disrepect to anyone or any group, are like court clerks.

This was not a litigation or criminal or spying case, no one was sueing anyone.  

Those 4 constructor points that Mclaren were fighting for were worth around $1 million, so I guess the media's speculation on the amount probably included that.  

 

Mo, these are the people who were in attendance for McLaren in Paris..No less than Five legal representatives, there is no such thing as a part time QC., a QC is also not the same thing as a judge.

As for £200 per hour, well I paid a bill two weeks ago for seven hours of legal work, very close to £2,800, and that was for fairly straightforward company law work, with a local firm,  which didn't involve a QC.

Mark Phillips regularly carries out legal work for (amongst others) the Bank Of England, he's not a "company solicitor" as you suggest.

for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes:

Mark Philips QC (Lawyer)

Lewis Hamilton (Driver)

Philip Prew (Race Engineer)

Martin Whitmarsh (Chief Executive)

Sue Thackeray (Legal representative for Mr Hamilton)

Tim Murnane (Legal representative)

Matt Bishop (McLaren)

David Ryan (Team Manager)

Tom Cassels (Legal representative for McLaren)

Ben Allgrove (Legal representative for McLaren)

jax70:

stigga:

mo1965:

There isn't such thing as the finest lawyers! You have experienced solicitors or lawyers because they have come across a series of cases. Lawyers don't create magic, they only play back what they have learnt during their course of study.

I can provide you the name of a legal firm where one of the partner is a part time QC (queen's council or a judge), his charges are £200.00 per hour.

In case of Mclaren, they were represented by a company solicitor plus legal advisor, these are although qualified lawyer, without any disrepect to anyone or any group, are like court clerks.

This was not a litigation or criminal or spying case, no one was sueing anyone.  

Those 4 constructor points that Mclaren were fighting for were worth around $1 million, so I guess the media's speculation on the amount probably included that.  

 

Mo, these are the people who were in attendance for McLaren in Paris..No less than Five legal representatives, there is no such thing as a part time QC., a QC is also not the same thing as a judge.

As for £200 per hour, well I paid a bill two weeks ago for seven hours of legal work, very close to £2,800, and that was for fairly straightforward company law work, with a local firm,  which didn't involve a QC.

Mark Phillips regularly carries out legal work for (amongst others) the Bank Of England, he's not a "company solicitor" as you suggest.

for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes:

Mark Philips QC (Lawyer)

Lewis Hamilton (Driver)

Philip Prew (Race Engineer)

Martin Whitmarsh (Chief Executive)

Sue Thackeray (Legal representative for Mr Hamilton)

Tim Murnane (Legal representative)

Matt Bishop (McLaren)

David Ryan (Team Manager)

Tom Cassels (Legal representative for McLaren)

Ben Allgrove (Legal representative for McLaren)

  

  an average QC would not get out of bed for less the £5k per day, dependant on his locallity and expertese.   £200 per day is more like travelling expenses

Thats a bit closer to the mark, and speaking of mark, Mark Phillips QC successfully defended the Bank Of England against a charge of misfeasance arising out of the BCCI collapse, a trial that lasted almost two years, when the liquidators he was fighting withdrew their case it was called "The most remarkable and humiliating climbdown in the history of English litigation"

Obviously when he fought for McLaren he couldn't have been up to par

He is a partnet in a legal firm called South Square, who's members enjoy an average revenue per barrister of £444,000 and chambers contributions of just 11.5 per cent, making them one of the the highest-earning team of counsels in England and Wales.