He will still be under contract next year so he won’t be in another F1 team and you won’t find him in anything other than a Fiat in Rallying.

 

All will be revealed in Monza.

r1_racing:

He will still be under contract next year so he won’t be in another F1 team and you won’t find him in anything other than a Fiat in Rallying.

 

All will be revealed in Monza.

I think you're right but there's a few reports that Ferrari wont be making their usual Monza annoucement, preferring to wait until Massa can confirm he is able to return next year.

twinkle_toes22:

no t.c.:

redfrog:

pedekay:

twinkle_toes22:

user1986:

i think that kimi really needs to sort himself out

 

he needs to decide what he needs more,

totally agree.

Plenty of teams would want a motivated Kimi. He needs to decide whether he can make a season long effort anymore. Anyway he'll probably have a season off to make his mind up, i'm sure that if Ferrari do pay him off to get alonso in the car, they will stipulate that he doesn't race for anyone else next season. (as he will effectively still be employed by them as they will have fulfilled his contract by paying him for 2010)

If that happens would he be able to go rallying?  There was a suggestion he could rally for Ferrari, is that possible?

Fiat are entering a team in WRC next year, and it wouldn't be beyond possibility that Kimi could drive for them.

Even if he doesn't drive for Ferrari in F1 next year, I doubt if they would let him drive for another team.

That seems a little absurd though doesn't it. I mean I agree, its entirally possible but to give Raik the boot and then spit in his face by vetoing his chances to drive in F1 in 2010 seems a bit autocratic to me.

FERRARI: 'yeah Kimi, it aint working out and we don't want you in the team any more.......but we don't want you driving for another team next year'

KIMI:......so what the **** am I supposed to do then?

FERRARI: Well thats none of our concern, so long as it doesn't involve F1. Could you take the bins out on your way please?

NoTC: Psssstt....Kimi, hey Kimi...... Lets burn their factory to the ground.

KIMI: Wha.....? Who the **** are you? And what the hell are you doing in the wheely bin?

 

They did it with AlainProst in 1992. A team may no longer feel you fit into their plans but wouldnt want you beating them in someone elses car, imagine how embarrasing that would be. It also very often applies to other staff, look at adrian newey for example, he was put on 'gardening leave' by McLaren before his switch to red bull. It happened to John Barnard also in the 90s.

I think all of this is to be negotiated and also depends on what the options included in the contract on both sides are, performance related or otherwise.

Kimi could well end up in a rally car but i'm not sure he would get a top drive in the WRC, maybe group 2 or group b whatever its called nowadays. He did quite well in his Fiat didnt he, so why not. I just have a feeling that he's not finished in F1 just yet, he may have a sabbatical year and then return when there are more teams to choose from and when the regulations have settled a little.

Hi

 

I think you will find that there has been a clarification of EEC law since the Prost error.

 

Some footballer took his team to court and won, sighting “restriction of trade”.

 

The upshot of the case means that a contract that “restricts a person’s ability to pursue his trade”, in this case as a F1 driver, is illegal.

 

If Ferrari do not want him, they can not stop him from driving for someone ells, unless Kimi agrees to it as part of some form of deal.

 

Regards

 

Racer111

 

twinkle_toes22:

user1986:

i think that kimi really needs to sort himself out

 

he needs to decide what he needs more,

totally agree.

Plenty of teams would want a motivated Kimi. He needs to decide whether he can make a season long effort anymore. Anyway he'll probably have a season off to make his mind up, i'm sure that if Ferrari do pay him off to get alonso in the car, they will stipulate that he doesn't race for anyone else next season. (as he will effectively still be employed by them as they will have fulfilled his contract by paying him for 2010)

Hmmm was it me or did Kimi seem alot more cheerful and relaxed in his press conferences when he was rallying the other week? It almost looked as though he was enjoying it.

Surely Kimi's contract would have been to drive an F1 car, if they are not going let him do that and if it is through no fault of his own, Ferrari will have broken the contract and therefore have to pay but that should not give them the right to say 'we dont want you but you cant drive for anyone else'  a right 'dog in the manger' attitude.  If he is such a bad driver and thats why they want to get rid of him,  then what are they worried about  what threat could he possibly be driving for someone else? 

I think he will eventually end up rallying which he really enjoys, but he has said on more than one occasion at the moment it is a hobby only,  there is no testing now and he just loves driving so why not.

no one is saying kimi is a bad driver,i just think ferrari feel like alonso and massa would be a better lineup,i think ferrari know kimi better than any of us,so if they let him go,than i guess they would have they're reasons for doing so,bottom line is alonso is coming and kimi is going,people might as well get used to that idea,i got to tell you that kimi is just to laid back man,listening to him would put you to sleep,good driver when he wants to be,his best f1 days are behind him,don't think he will ever race for a front running team again,could get on with one of the new teams down the road to help develop it's cars,and massa getting injured,ferrari would look bad letting massa go now,he has to make his triumph comeback,ferrari are going to pay kimi to go rallying basically or do whatever,just not race for another f1 team for a while,thats the way i think it will go

r1_racing:

He will still be under contract next year so he won’t be in another F1 team and you won’t find him in anything other than a Fiat in Rallying.

 

All will be revealed in Monza.

That's right on the money. It's already in place. Kimi will rally for Fiat. No restriction of trade cos he will receive a pay off and still be paid to race in rallying, and likely to be reserved by Ferrari.

the scarlet assassin:

r1_racing:

He will still be under contract next year so he won’t be in another F1 team and you won’t find him in anything other than a Fiat in Rallying.

 

All will be revealed in Monza.

That's right on the money. It's already in place. Kimi will rally for Fiat. No restriction of trade cos he will receive a pay off and still be paid to race in rallying, and likely to be reserved by Ferrari.

Do you know this for sure, scarlet?  I thought Ferrari were saying nowt for the time being.

gpringsx:

no one is saying kimi is a bad driver,i just think ferrari feel like alonso and massa would be a better lineup,i think ferrari know kimi better than any of us,so if they let him go,than i guess they would have they're reasons for doing so,bottom line is alonso is coming and kimi is going,people might as well get used to that idea,i got to tell you that kimi is just to laid back man,listening to him would put you to sleep,good driver when he wants to be,his best f1 days are behind him,don't think he will ever race for a front running team again,could get on with one of the new teams down the road to help develop it's cars,and massa getting injured,ferrari would look bad letting massa go now,he has to make his triumph comeback,ferrari are going to pay kimi to go rallying basically or do whatever,just not race for another f1 team for a while,thats the way i think it will go

Good post gpringsx

pedekay:

the scarlet assassin:

r1_racing:

He will still be under contract next year so he won’t be in another F1 team and you won’t find him in anything other than a Fiat in Rallying.

 

All will be revealed in Monza.

That's right on the money. It's already in place. Kimi will rally for Fiat. No restriction of trade cos he will receive a pay off and still be paid to race in rallying, and likely to be reserved by Ferrari.

Do you know this for sure, scarlet?  I thought Ferrari were saying nowt for the time being.

I has my sauces of information. And most are red.

thought I'd revive this thread to bring everyone upto date. The following is a quote from Joe Sewards excellent blog

There are reports in Italy that Kimi Raikkonen will be released by Ferrari, a deal having been struck that suits all parties.

Raikkonen signed a three-year deal with Ferrari in the summer of 2006. This was long before any hint of a recession and it is understood that the contract was for a salary in Euros equivalent to $50m per year. A good chunk of this would go to Raikkonen’s managers, but it was still a decent wage for the Finn. It seems that there was also a bonus clause which bumped the salary up if Kimi won the World Championship. He did that at his first attempt in 2007. The bonus, plus the slide in the value of the dollar, meant that for the last two seasons Kimi is reckoned to have been paid $85m per year.

It is clear that his performances have not really warranted such a vast reward. His only victory since Spain 2008 was last week in Belgium, while team-mate Felipe Massa won five times in the same period before being injured in Hungary.

The Raikkonen contract was due to end this year but a year ago Ferrari needed Kimi to agree to help Massa in his fight for the World Championship with Lewis Hamilton. The word is that Luca di Montezemolo proposed that Kimi sacrifice a clause in the contract that guaranteed him equality with his team-mate in exchange for an additional season (2010) with the team.

This was accepted.

In the last 12 months things have changed. Ferrari needs to look more closely at its spending. In addition Fernando Alonso seems a much better option, not only because he seems more motivated than Raikkonen but also because his presence at Ferrari guarantees a major new long term sponsorship deal with Banco Santander, which is reckoned to be worth $80m a year.

The recent weeks have thus seen negotiations to find a way to get Raikkonen to agree to give up his 2010 contract. The word is that Kimi will be paid $35m NOT to race for Ferrari, plus being paid bonuses for any results that he achieves with whichever team he moves to in 2010, plus a bonus if Alonso wins the title.

This bizarre arrangement makes sense for Ferrari as it is saving $50m on Kimi’s basic salary and the team can afford to pay Alonso a sensible salary and still make a substantial saving…

So there you have it. Don't expect an announcement at Monza, I think they will wait to see what happens with the Renault 'fixing' hearing just in case Fando falls foul of that and gets a ban for 2010.

The figures are mind boggling arn't they!!.

 

Mind boggling figures indeed.  It's Monopoly money!!  Of course it's only the top drivers who get that sort of money, and F1 drivers would be able to drive for - what, 18-20 years max?  But still........   it would be nice to get paid like that.

There was a good story about Kimi during practice before Spa.  The commentator said it was Kimi winding up the Italian press.  Apparently he was asked in a press interview, 'What do you think of the circuit at Spa?' and he replied 'It's nice'.  So they asked him, 'Why do you like it?', and he replied, 'I just said, because it's nice.'      Mr Cool. 

user1986:

i think that kimi really needs to sort himself out

 

he needs to decide what he needs more,

And this is an opinion based formed after aquiring all the facts? Or are you just psychic?

r1_racing:

 

Retirement.

 

Technically he can’t race for another team as he is under contract with Ferrari until the end of 2010 unless he decides to “give up”

 

The only option if indeed there is one is to stay at Ferrari to Partner Alonso should Massa be sidelined permanently. This however is extremely unlikely. (Alonso signed last year by the way)

 

I’m afraid if you wish to be supporting Kimmi next year you best put on your rallying jackets.

Explain to me how that is even remotely legal please. I'm not a student of law and no nothing of the permitions given to employers to sack an employee and then prevent them from practicing their trade somewhere else.

Or, maybe you read Kimi's contract. Did he mail it to you? You seem to know so so so much as fact.....yet, I see no facts contained in your posts.

So tell me please, are employers allowed to fire people and prevent them from working for someone else?

Just hopping in anticipation of your factual and accurate reply.

r1_racing:

It's been "Public" for a while.

Mail online Dec 28th 2008

Fernando Alonso has a secret agreement to join Ferrari for four years from 2011, according to a report in Italy yesterday.

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo recently fuelled the speculation by refusing to rule out the Spaniard’s future arrival.

Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that the deal had several get-out clauses for both sides but added that Alonso could join Ferrari even earlier, in 2010, if 2007 world champion Kimi Raikkonen follows this year’s disappointing season with another bad campaign.

AH!!! so you get all your accurate info from newspapers......there was me thinking you sat down and had a chat with Kimi and the Ferrari team to get all of your facts. Silly me