lewishamiltonmclaren:

I meant to say

 

I think some people think that others are not allowed to have their own opinions on this forum and think their own view is the correct one which makes them childish.

if I didn't think my views are correct I wouldn't post them. Nothing childish here.

You are allowed to your own opinion , if you haven't how your post would turn up on this forum. Having opinion, sometimes results in critical answears. If we all agreed it wouldn't be a discussion.

no t.c.:

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

Idiotic

Too generous. 

lewishamiltonmclaren:

I meant to say

 

I think some people think that others are not allowed to have their own opinions on this forum and think their own view is the correct one which makes them childish.

Can you please clarify this?

Do you include yourself in the above statement, or do you think your view is incorrect? In the first case, you are childish, and in the second case, why do you bother posting your wrong views?

Considering Ferarri were effectively running only one car for about half the season I don't think they did too bad.

 If Massa hadn't have had the accident there is no way McLaren would have piped them.

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

The only thing McLaren and the Hammilton's are better at then Ferrari is lying, cheating and stealing. If Massa didn't get insured then McLaren would be way behing Ferrari in points. Granted, getting Badoer and Fisi to replace Massa was not the smartest move.

no t.c.:

aveli666:

no t.c.:

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

Iknow Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi)were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis isbetter than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

Idiotic

no need to be insulting, what has he said that has hurt you so much that you feel the need to insult him? if you don't agree with his opinion tell him so and say why. there should be enough room for respect in here.

I wasn't being  insulting lad, I was being observant. Don;t let your emotions gonvern your posts aveli, I've noticed you do this a little too much. I'm sure you can improve though :)

well it is offensive to describe someones post as idiotic. 

aveli666:

no t.c.:

aveli666:

no t.c.:

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

Iknow Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi)were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis isbetter than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

Idiotic

no need to be insulting, what has he said that has hurt you so much that you feel the need to insult him? if you don't agree with his opinion tell him so and say why. there should be enough room for respect in here.

I wasn't being  insulting lad, I was being observant. Don;t let your emotions gonvern your posts aveli, I've noticed you do this a little too much. I'm sure you can improve though :)

well it is offensive to describe someones post as idiotic. 

OK, i retract idiotic, to be replaced with ill conceived and childish. That better?

the_anti_hump:

....IF Massa didn't get insured then ...

So what's Third Party,Fire and Theft on a F60?

the_anti_hump:

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

The only thing McLaren and the Hammilton's are better at then Ferrari is lying, cheating and stealing. If Massa didn't get insured then McLaren would be way behing Ferrari in points. Granted, getting Badoer and Fisi to replace Massa was not the smartest move.

Ah, but this would be reflective on the drivers performance and not that of the team.

You could argue that if Massa had been fit they would have scored more points and you would be right.

However the other argument is that if McLaren had a decent enough second driver then they too would have scored even more.

I am not biased either way, but you would have to argue that over the year, McLaren had a better car.

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

So, what you actually saying here is that all those other years when Ferarri were winning the constructors title (even when Hamilton won the WDC) that Ferrari were officially better than McLaren.

And of course that Brawn and Red Bull are better than both because they outscored them, this is based on points scored this season, is it not?

Rodd LEngth:

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

So, what you actually saying here is that all those other years when Ferarri were winning the constructors title (even when Hamilton won the WDC) that Ferrari were officially better than McLaren.

And of course that Brawn and Red Bull are better than both because they outscored them, this is based on points scored this season, is it not?

No, McLaren was still better, but Ferrari cheated. Same for Brawn and Red Bull this year.

justrace:

Rodd LEngth:

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

So, what you actually saying here is that all those other years when Ferarri were winning the constructors title (even when Hamilton won the WDC) that Ferrari were officially better than McLaren.

And of course that Brawn and Red Bull are better than both because they outscored them, this is based on points scored this season, is it not?

No, McLaren was still better, but Ferrari cheated. Same for Brawn and Red Bull this year.

Ahh right, right. I get ya, Ferrari cheated and so did Brawn and so did Red Bull and so did everyone else who finished any race in front of Hamilton especially the races where he failed to finish 'cos in those races EVERYONE cheated 'cos they must have if they finished in front of Hamilton 'cos no-one could EVER finish in front of Hamilton unless they cheated even when Hamilton actually crashes into them in the pit lane it was the other persons fault and they only did that to make Hamilton crash and Hamilton didn't lie to the officials and McLaren didn't get fined Millions of $ for lying and cheating it was every other team just going against them 'cos McLaren are the best team ever and really should win every race and get every championship for ever and ever an everything an in fact there really is no point in any other team actually turning up to any other race in the future 'cos McLaren will just win all the races anyway unless someone finished in front of them and anyway they will just be cheating anyway if they ever did that (which they wont).

It's all much clearer to me now, thanks for putting me straight on that one.

Rodd LEngth:

justrace:

Rodd LEngth:

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

So, what you actually saying here is that all those other years when Ferarri were winning the constructors title (even when Hamilton won the WDC) that Ferrari were officially better than McLaren.

And of course that Brawn and Red Bull are better than both because they outscored them, this is based on points scored this season, is it not?

No, McLaren was still better, but Ferrari cheated. Same for Brawn and Red Bull this year.

 

Ahh right, right. I get ya, Ferrari cheated and so did Brawn and so did Red Bull and so did everyone else who finished any race in front of Hamilton especially the races where he failed to finish 'cos in those races EVERYONE cheated 'cos they must have if they finished in front of Hamilton 'cos no-one could EVER finish in front of Hamilton unless they cheated even when Hamilton actually crashes into them in the pit lane it was the other persons fault and they only did that to make Hamilton crash and Hamilton didn't lie to the officials and McLaren didn't get fined Millions of $ for lying and cheating it was every other team just going against them 'cos McLaren are the best team ever and really should win every race and get every championship for ever and ever an everything an in fact there really is no point in any other team actually turning up to any other race in the future 'cos McLaren will just win all the races anyway unless someone finished in front of them and anyway they will just be cheating anyway if they ever did that (which they wont).

It's all much clearer to me now, thanks for putting me straight on that one.

Sorry if that wound you up. I wanted to add a sarcastic smiley to my post, but hit the post button prematurely...

You know, youve just made me laugh;

''Mclaren better than ferrari'' followed by ''for the first time in years theyve beaten ferrari''.

So, they arent better than ferrari then you fool.

And if you want to take it further than just this year,

ferrari>>> Mclaren.

16 to 8 constructors, 15 to 12 drivers. 210 victories to 164 victories, 203 poles and 219 fastest laps to mclarens 145 and 137.

Admitted they came in the sport 11 years after Ferrari.

lewishamiltonmclaren:

For the first time in years, McLaren have beaten Ferrari in the constructors wars by 1 point.

I know Massa was out for half the season and his deputy (Badoer and Fisi) were not up to scratch, but neither has Heiki, so this means Lewis is better than Kimi, despite Kimi getting paid more.

I also know Ferrari stopped devloping their car while McLaren have pushed ahead with improvements in Singapore, but they have been thrashed this year, but I expect both to be much stronger next season.

Lets analyse this, Mclaren had their huge revival from the German GP. During that time Lewis scored 40 points, while Kimi managed to score 38 points and both had one mechanical retirement. If you really think about it, it is actually quite remarkable that Kimi even manage to score only two points less then Lewis during that period, considering the car he was driving. Not only that, Ferrari actually kept moving backwards each race as many of the other teams improved their cars.  Lewis did some spectacular races during that period, but Kimi was actually a bit more impressive.

 As for the constructors championship, Mclaren deserved the 3rd place more then Ferrari. Mclaren pushed hard to make their car a winning car once again, while Ferrari just give up quite early. If it wasn't for Kimi's performances they wouldn't even have been in contention  for 3rd in the championship.