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Mr.Woody:

Does anyone have any insight to why it was only Hamilton who had "tyre worries".

Could it be cause by how he likes the car sliding around?
 

His driving style, he is a pure racer who likes to burn those rubbers. He could have done a 2 stopper and done some careful driving. Who cares what their problem was quite frankly, it was fantastic to watch. Dont know what he is going to do for Monaco though?

Its a failing of his, an entertaining failing but a failing none the less....

Please, and he should have mossied along like Kimi instead of doing the necessary thing to LIKE (use the pit stops) drive you car to the max, and burn some rubber? Who said it was a failing, I didnt see his tyres fall, but I saw one hell of a drive!! A failing would have been ending his race how he did last season, he didnt he learnt from his mistake, changed up his senario and drove the best race off his life!

Hush child. Kimi finished 0.5 seconds behind Lewis, so by your (lack of) reasoning Hamilton was only as fast as Kimi pottering at Lewis' fastest . Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Lewis' abilities.

Yeah after Hamilton done 3 stops, and how long does a stop last for? If Michael Schumacher done what Hamilton done yesterday, he would have been hailed as a master of strategies...end off! The fact that Hamilton spent over a minute in all 3 pits stops all together tells me Kimi has enough time to alter his wing in one of his stops, and burnt some rubber if he wanted to! But he is a lackluster racer who plays it safe...and the safe approach (though kimi is a good guy) is boring and killing of this sport!

People blame the FIA for rules changes and slowing down this sport, yesterday (though i expect Hamilton cant perform like this at every race circuit) proved it doesn't have to be the case! What is also good about this performance is McLaren on the whole are crap at strategies, and I have been a McLaren support for the last 10-11 years, I should know!...Hamilton worked this out good and proper!

When MS adopted a different strategy he usually ended up winning the race, Lewis on the other hand lost ground to the car in front and slipped into the hands of the car behind.

Kimi worked around the problem with his wing and was not losing enough time to warrant a change, whereas Lewis on the other hand in 1 year and 5 races of F1 has still not learnt to manage his tyres - it cost him last year and it's going to cost him again this year.

Maybe you could point out what was so good about 3-stopping because I fail to see how Lewis 'worked it out good and proper'?

Hamilton lost ground on the soft tyres, as the car didnt work well with them, telling anyone with any ounce of COMMON SENSE, he done the best, given the senario of last season, and the car not feeling right on the softs......he left it to the last possible place to drive on them.....and if he was allowed back on the hard tyres, Kimi would not have been 0.5 seconds behind him, I think Hamilton would have been ready to overtake Massa for a second time!

I am not about careful driving, if i want to watch careful driving I will book an appointment to watch a learner take a theory and practical test. I am watching F1, to see a driver push their car to a limit, maximum, full throttle, the edge, the boundaries and them some more...hamilton done that...end off!

It seems that common sense would have said to stop twice as Lewis' team-mate did, and pretty much all the other drivers did.

While the Mclaren doesn't work on softs it's also widely known that the Ferrari does not work too well on the hards so I guess that all 4 drivers have to work with what they've got. The problem here is that the 3 other drivers seem to be able to adapt and make things work for them, Lewis on the other hand has to totally sacrifice the optimum race strategy to ensure he can cross the finish line - not an ideal situation to be in.

Facts will maintain that just prior to the 1st pit stop Lewis was about 7+ secs ahead of Kimi, after all pit stops had been compelted this was down to about 1.5 secs so for all of Lewis' 'pushing to the limit, maximum, on the edge' it was actually slower that a Ferrari with a dodgy front wing!!

I'm glad you enjoyed watching Lewis drive his car, I also enjoyed it, but from the drivers/teams point of views it has to be effective and Lewis wasn't.

Then COMMON SENSE has failed you, because that means Hamilton would have taken the risk of a tyre blow, which they were avoiding in the first something damn place and the car didnt work wrll on the softs! Which could have well meant Hamilton would have had to have been much more careful on the softs for longer, Kimi could have well hunted him down...maybe even Kubica! And Hamiltons car being heavier on fuel at the beggining and 1st and second stop!

Look at his last stop on softs, he was VERY light on fuel, yet Kimi was gaining on him very quickly, imagine Hamilton on softs (worried about a tyre blow) with a heavier fuel load....it would have been a very different boring race!

Like I said, I am not here to watch BORING careful racing, I am watching F1 to see a driver pushing plenty! Besides i think Kimi was telling PORKIES about his wing and puncture, there are no pictures or incidication of such things on kimis car....You cant overtake Alonso and Leap frog Kubica on his stint before the pits, with a puncture and wing problem. Neither could one cut into a McLaren lead even on softs with a wing problem....its called EXCUSES for not making the most out of a superior car, when someone else had issues to deal with a drove plenty!

Look at the start replay, Kimi's front wing was bouncing around after making contact with Kovy

RaggedEdge:

Mr.Woody:

Does anyone have any insight to why it was only Hamilton who had "tyre worries".

Could it be cause by how he likes the car sliding around?
 

I have no doubt that Michael Schumacher would have stressed the wheel construction like Hamilton does...

The Bridgestone are not designed for true racers, they are for cruising only...  also explains why Hamilton was the only one who could take them beyond the limit...

Bridgestone should not be handicapping the racers.

Oh!!, that's why Schuey, ( a TRUE racer), won on Bridgestones, LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!.............

 

We can all slide our cars about on the road! And we all know our tyres won't last long by doing so!! So why does Lewis need to slide an F1 car around the track and compromise a pit stop by doing so. What a pathetic strategy!

 

If that was schuey at the wheel, He could of made 4 pitstops and still won the race! And on bridgestones.

red beasts:

If that was schuey at the wheel, He could of made 4 pitstops and still won the race! And on bridgestones.

Maybe if he had a sidekick to hold up all of the cars for 3/4 of the race and a ridged fuel pump lol MAYBE!

red beasts:

We can all slide our cars about on the road! And we all know our tyres won't last long by doing so!! So why does Lewis need to slide an F1 car around the track and compromise a pit stop by doing so. What a pathetic strategy!

 

Now THATS what i'm talking about, why can't the Lewis fans see this. In their eyes he can't do any wrong!! If he crashes he is just pushing the boundries for them, not making a mistake. If he wrecks his wheels he is just a racer and its the tyre's fault (dear god) not his.

At least us real F1 fans don't make all the crazy excuses you see from Lewis fans.

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red beasts:

We can all slide our cars about on the road! And we all know our tyres won't last long by doing so!! So why does Lewis need to slide an F1 car around the track and compromise a pit stop by doing so. What a pathetic strategy!

 

Now THATS what i'm talking about, why can't the Lewis fans see this. In their eyes he can't do any wrong!! If he crashes he is just pushing the boundries for them, not making a mistake. If he wrecks his wheels he is just a racer and its the tyre's fault (dear god) not his.

At least us real F1 fans don't make all the crazy excuses you see from Lewis fans.

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

anametoremember:

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

 

You talk like Hamilton has revolutionised F1 racing, which is simply not the case. This 3-stop strategy was not of his choosing. He was given no option. When you have a lighter car, you can push harder and ultimately go faster as a result. Its not as if this was a master genius strategy or something, he had to choose that strategy because of tyre wear. If it wasn't for tyre concerns he would have used the "boring and conventional" strategy like everyone else because 2-stops is the fastest way to complete the race distance all things being equal.

 

Hamilton hasn't done anything revolutionary here. Correct me if I'm wrong, he hasn't even won a race from anywhere else but pole position yet. When he wins a race from 18th on the grid (like Kimi Japan 2005), then you might have a point.

stayahead:

anametoremember:

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

 

You talk like Hamilton has revolutionised F1 racing, which is simply not the case. This 3-stop strategy was not of his choosing. He was given no option. When you have a lighter car, you can push harder and ultimately go faster as a result. Its not as if this was a master genius strategy or something, he had to choose that strategy because of tyre wear. If it wasn't for tyre concerns he would have used the "boring and conventional" strategy like everyone else because 2-stops is the fastest way to complete the race distance all things being equal.

 

Hamilton hasn't done anything revolutionary here. Correct me if I'm wrong, he hasn't even won a race from anywhere else but pole position yet. When he wins a race from 18th on the grid (like Kimi Japan 2005), then you might have a point.

I was simply talking about the way he slides arounds on his tyres and brakes hard and extra last in his car!

Lets be honest - do any of them do anything revolutionary?? They sit in their car and try and get it around the track as fast as possible and in one piece - obviously some better than others...

anametoremember:

 

I was simply talking about the way he slides arounds on his tyres and brakes hard and extra last in his car!

 

I agree that style is very exciting to watch. It makes it look like the driver is on the edge of the limit and all of that. But if it wears your tyres harder than everyone else, its ultimately going to cause problems in some way (extra graining or tyre safety concerns). Also while a "ragged" style is exciting to watch and gives the impression of being fast, sometimes being really smooth and precise is actually faster. Jenson Button is a perfect example of that style. It may not look as fast, but it can be just as fast, if not faster than a more agressive style.

stayahead:

anametoremember:

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

 

You talk like Hamilton has revolutionised F1 racing, which is simply not the case. This 3-stop strategy was not of his choosing. He was given no option. When you have a lighter car, you can push harder and ultimately go faster as a result. Its not as if this was a master genius strategy or something, he had to choose that strategy because of tyre wear. If it wasn't for tyre concerns he would have used the "boring and conventional" strategy like everyone else because 2-stops is the fastest way to complete the race distance all things being equal.

 

Hamilton hasn't done anything revolutionary here. Correct me if I'm wrong, he hasn't even won a race from anywhere else but pole position yet. When he wins a race from 18th on the grid (like Kimi Japan 2005), then you might have a point.

Bleeding heck, give him a break, he has only had 23 F1 races, from that 5 wins, and hasnt finished out of the top 3 no more than 7 times....not bad you know, can you imgine when he does finally perfect himself...sheesh, it will be mind blowing! Kimis had like 103 more F1 races than him and most of them in a McLaren, then the same amount as Hamilton in a top notch superior Ferrari!

I have tried to look at the postings in a balance way over the last year.

But some of the vitriolic comments sent LH's way, have brought me to the conclusion that a number of contributors are more bothered about LH's origins than his driving ability.

If you look at the postings there is healthy like / dislike balance over most drivers, but with LH it is unique unbalanced.

So please before you *** off a drive, take a few seconds to think,"Why am I writing this"

And before anyone starts, I am a white Anglo-Saxon and if anything, right wing male

racer 111:

I have tried to look at the postings in a balance way over the last year.

But some of the vitriolic comments sent LH's way, have brought me to the conclusion that a number of contributors are more bothered about LH's origins than his driving ability.

If you look at the postings there is healthy like / dislike balance over most drivers, but with LH it is unique unbalanced.

So please before you *** off a drive, take a few seconds to think,"Why am I writing this"

And before anyone starts, I am a white Anglo-Saxon and if anything, right wing male

 

Why do people bring up this subject. It has nothing to do with it. Its like saying people dislike Kimi because he's got blonde hair. Its really stupid to assume that people are that ignorant. Some people like certain drivers, others don't like certain drivers. Its the same reason why some people like Fords and some people like Vauxhalls. Its called people having differing personalities and different things that they like. Has nothing to do with race in my opinion.

racer 111:

I have tried to look at the postings in a balance way over the last year.

But some of the vitriolic comments sent LH's way, have brought me to the conclusion that a number of contributors are more bothered about LH's origins than his driving ability.

If you look at the postings there is healthy like / dislike balance over most drivers, but with LH it is unique unbalanced.

So please before you *** off a drive, take a few seconds to think,"Why am I writing this"

And before anyone starts, I am a white Anglo-Saxon and if anything, right wing male

It's either that or the fact LH is driving like a potential MS, and we all know what MS can do to Kimi given a fraction of a chance...

LH is a threat to Kimi, and his performances highlight the edge which is entirely missing from Kimi's...

The fact he is black, is just adding fuel to the already burning hot fire of hate...

Fair balanced viewpoints are so rare these days... sometimes it feels like commonsense was not distributed fairly amongst the F1 fans when god created them...