mikhailv:

wallace i:

mikhailv:

anametoremember:

aveli666:

according to reports on the itv website, hamilton will play a more active role in the design of his next car. the success of this project will confirm hamilton's understanding of technical matter and will hopefully stop people from spreading lies about him with the intention of making look bad.

i haven't noticed as much bile being spread about any other driver. he surely must take control of emotions.

That is a bit unprecendented for a driver isnt it? Tis can only mean Whitmarsh is still at McLaren next season and he doesnt trust him at all, surely if Dennis was about he wouldnt need to make such a big move. Good to know Hamilton knows a lot more about F1 cars than what we give him credit for, but it is still a bit unnerving to Hamilton has to go to such extreme measures which has fundlementallly come about from poor leadership from Whitmarsh and there are no two ends about it. This is just not the McLaren I know and have loved for the last 12 years or more, it sounds like a soul-less splintered team to me.

Heres me thinking he helped develop this years car. look where its at ;)

Nah seriously, I think it would be a good learning curve for him. He has yet to actually fully develop a car. Your being to harsh on whitmarsh (wow, that rhymes!), its not his fault. If you remember, Ron dennis set the team on the 2009 car in september 08, so he has to take the blame.

But yeah, i would like to see lewis develop THIS years car first. He just wants them to make a new one, a better one to give him. But, i dont think they should. he should continually develop and update the car and give the teams asmuch info as possible.

This is why I feel mclarens driver pairing is a failure. Lewis is very good, but he just hasnt got a knack for developing a car, Heikki;s been a test driver but is poorly performing overall. McLaren is missing a Fernando, a Felipe or a Wurz. Lewis hasnt gained the ability yet that they have he still cant rally a team around him and push forward. He complains but doesnt appear to make a full effort to try and advance. I dont think he's technically advanced enough to pinpoint problems, tell the team what they are doing wrong, the specifics of a problem. He just hasnt got that. It may come in the future ofcourse!

Mclaren as a team are missing Alonso, or David Coulthard.

That's just a load of tosh Mclaren are missing in season testing . In the past they have spent their way out of trouble . A driver can only give the team limited information about the car i.e wether or not they have understeer ' lack of traction ect . The driver can't see the way the air is moving around the car 

It's like Hamilton said at the beginning of the season he pushes and it feel's to him that the car is performing well . it's only when  he see's the lap times that he realises the car just isn't that good 

Oh, oh a load of tosh is it!

 Ok explain this. How come, last year, renault (who are the 5th biggest budget team behind toyota/ferrari/mclaren/redbull which includes toro rosso) managed to get a car from over 1.3 seconds slower than the pace, to just .3 of a second in the season? NOT only that, but how come, Pat symonds has PUBLICLY expressed how useful it is, to have fernando/ a driver who is so technically adapt and understands a car, can pinpoint the specific areas which need improvement to get the car quicker and to progress it, and to also inform the team how the car reacts on track, and what would be better to make it drive better?

So pat symonds, one of the best tech heads and strategists in the field, knows nothing but you do.

A driver cant tell you how the air moves, but he can tell you everything else, where its efficiencies, defficiencies and so forth are, and what areas a car is lacking, and not just 'grip', but pinpoint locations and how it acts.

When a driver is testing a car, which all teams are doing friday, then they go out and try every damn thing possible, whether its a split tenths less/more braking or acceleration to test adhesion and grip.

And there isnt abudget cap, so like you said, gone are the days of shedding money at everything (unless your ferrari). I bet next week both renault and mcLaren will take huge steps forward because of their CFD's.

So you sir, are talking the tosh, because a driver doesnt just jump in the car and expect it to go quick unless theyve had the cuddling of a team who has done that to them all their life. Real drivers know how to persue and develop a car with the team.

clearly, lewis hasnt got that yet.

if renault's success was due to fernando alonso then why is it that mclaren couldn't wait to get rid of him, and why are other teams not queueing up to sign him? it was a coincident that is why he cannot repeat the same this year. when you are good at something you are able to do it well time and time again, not now and again.

aveli666:

mikhailv:

wallace i:

mikhailv:

anametoremember:

aveli666:

according to reports on the itv website, hamilton will play a more active role in the design of his next car. the success of this project will confirm hamilton's understanding of technical matter and will hopefully stop people from spreading lies about him with the intention of making look bad.

i haven't noticed as much bile being spread about any other driver. he surely must take control of emotions.

That is a bit unprecendented for a driver isnt it? Tis can only mean Whitmarsh is still at McLaren next season and he doesnt trust him at all, surely if Dennis was about he wouldnt need to make such a big move. Good to know Hamilton knows a lot more about F1 cars than what we give him credit for, but it is still a bit unnerving to Hamilton has to go to such extreme measures which has fundlementallly come about from poor leadership from Whitmarsh and there are no two ends about it. This is just not the McLaren I know and have loved for the last 12 years or more, it sounds like a soul-less splintered team to me.

Heres me thinking he helped develop this years car. look where its at ;)

Nah seriously, I think it would be a good learning curve for him. He has yet to actually fully develop a car. Your being to harsh on whitmarsh (wow, that rhymes!), its not his fault. If you remember, Ron dennis set the team on the 2009 car in september 08, so he has to take the blame.

But yeah, i would like to see lewis develop THIS years car first. He just wants them to make a new one, a better one to give him. But, i dont think they should. he should continually develop and update the car and give the teams asmuch info as possible.

This is why I feel mclarens driver pairing is a failure. Lewis is very good, but he just hasnt got a knack for developing a car, Heikki;s been a test driver but is poorly performing overall. McLaren is missing a Fernando, a Felipe or a Wurz. Lewis hasnt gained the ability yet that they have he still cant rally a team around him and push forward. He complains but doesnt appear to make a full effort to try and advance. I dont think he's technically advanced enough to pinpoint problems, tell the team what they are doing wrong, the specifics of a problem. He just hasnt got that. It may come in the future ofcourse!

Mclaren as a team are missing Alonso, or David Coulthard.

That's just a load of tosh Mclaren are missing in season testing . In the past they have spent their way out of trouble . A driver can only give the team limited information about the car i.e wether or not they have understeer ' lack of traction ect . The driver can't see the way the air is moving around the car 

It's like Hamilton said at the beginning of the season he pushes and it feel's to him that the car is performing well . it's only when  he see's the lap times that he realises the car just isn't that good 

Oh, oh a load of tosh is it!

 Ok explain this. How come, last year, renault (who are the 5th biggest budget team behind toyota/ferrari/mclaren/redbull which includes toro rosso) managed to get a car from over 1.3 seconds slower than the pace, to just .3 of a second in the season? NOT only that, but how come, Pat symonds has PUBLICLY expressed how useful it is, to have fernando/ a driver who is so technically adapt and understands a car, can pinpoint the specific areas which need improvement to get the car quicker and to progress it, and to also inform the team how the car reacts on track, and what would be better to make it drive better?

So pat symonds, one of the best tech heads and strategists in the field, knows nothing but you do.

A driver cant tell you how the air moves, but he can tell you everything else, where its efficiencies, defficiencies and so forth are, and what areas a car is lacking, and not just 'grip', but pinpoint locations and how it acts.

When a driver is testing a car, which all teams are doing friday, then they go out and try every damn thing possible, whether its a split tenths less/more braking or acceleration to test adhesion and grip.

And there isnt abudget cap, so like you said, gone are the days of shedding money at everything (unless your ferrari). I bet next week both renault and mcLaren will take huge steps forward because of their CFD's.

So you sir, are talking the tosh, because a driver doesnt just jump in the car and expect it to go quick unless theyve had the cuddling of a team who has done that to them all their life. Real drivers know how to persue and develop a car with the team.

clearly, lewis hasnt got that yet.

if renault's success was due to fernando alonso then why is it that mclaren couldn't wait to get rid of him, and why are other teams not queueing up to sign him? it was a coincident that is why he cannot repeat the same this year. when you are good at something you are able to do it well time and time again, not now and again.

Ferrari- massive rumours, neither side speculates except with a wry smile. September 11th 2009 will reveal all. Especially with Santander/ferrari's ''special guest'' in november.
BMW- Alonso wouldnt want to go there. he's said that he doesnt want to. Nor does he want to partner kubica because he is one of his best friends
Redbull- Got vettel and Webber signed up. Red bull and Toro rosso CONFIRMED their interest in Alonso over the winter. Same with BMW, same with Ferrari and same with Honda, but Brawn said he couldnt afford him. Now their Brawn GP and button is paid £4mil, Alonso thought it would end in tears inwhich, it nearly did. They JUST made it onto the grid thanks to some back handers with FOM,
Williams- asif he'd go there. Frank is a terrible bloke to work with. been crap since 1998.
McLaren- Dont want alonso beating golden boy nor the prost/senna to happen. more fool them. well, actually looking at this year.....
Force India- ¬_¬
Toyota- signed with Glock and Trulli for the next few years + why would alonso go there? biggest budget for years on end with no success. dead end.

 

Renaults success WAS because of Fernando. Do you dare challenge that with your level of idiocy? Why do you think near on everybody sought after him when he left McLaren? Do they know something we dont? f1 live had interview after inteview with multiple bosses who all expressed alot of interest in Fernando. So obviously he's wanted. Fool. Which team has stated theyd take lewis? None. Ferrari said maybe. Williams say we could have, but didnt. Same with Kubica, renault said they could have but didnt.

None has said they WOULD. Unlike montezemolo, who publicly said his dream pairing would be Fernando and Kimi. Now tell me, is that one more endorsement lewis hasnt got?

And the reason they cannot repeat the same form as the end of last, is the same as your wonderful McLaren, who are doing WORSE than Renault, especially as Renault have only 1 decent driver; too much time on 08.

Both teams have big upgrades for next week, so we shall see how brill they are and cheer our drivers on.

mikhailv:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

wallace i:

mikhailv:

anametoremember:

aveli666:

according to reports on the itv website, hamilton will play a more active role in the design of his next car. the success of this project will confirm hamilton's understanding of technical matter and will hopefully stop people from spreading lies about him with the intention of making look bad.

i haven't noticed as much bile being spread about any other driver. he surely must take control of emotions.

That is a bit unprecendented for a driver isnt it? Tis can only mean Whitmarsh is still at McLaren next season and he doesnt trust him at all, surely if Dennis was about he wouldnt need to make such a big move. Good to know Hamilton knows a lot more about F1 cars than what we give him credit for, but it is still a bit unnerving to Hamilton has to go to such extreme measures which has fundlementallly come about from poor leadership from Whitmarsh and there are no two ends about it. This is just not the McLaren I know and have loved for the last 12 years or more, it sounds like a soul-less splintered team to me.

Heres me thinking he helped develop this years car. look where its at ;)

Nah seriously, I think it would be a good learning curve for him. He has yet to actually fully develop a car. Your being to harsh on whitmarsh (wow, that rhymes!), its not his fault. If you remember, Ron dennis set the team on the 2009 car in september 08, so he has to take the blame.

But yeah, i would like to see lewis develop THIS years car first. He just wants them to make a new one, a better one to give him. But, i dont think they should. he should continually develop and update the car and give the teams asmuch info as possible.

This is why I feel mclarens driver pairing is a failure. Lewis is very good, but he just hasnt got a knack for developing a car, Heikki;s been a test driver but is poorly performing overall. McLaren is missing a Fernando, a Felipe or a Wurz. Lewis hasnt gained the ability yet that they have he still cant rally a team around him and push forward. He complains but doesnt appear to make a full effort to try and advance. I dont think he's technically advanced enough to pinpoint problems, tell the team what they are doing wrong, the specifics of a problem. He just hasnt got that. It may come in the future ofcourse!

Mclaren as a team are missing Alonso, or David Coulthard.

That's just a load of tosh Mclaren are missing in season testing . In the past they have spent their way out of trouble . A driver can only give the team limited information about the car i.e wether or not they have understeer ' lack of traction ect . The driver can't see the way the air is moving around the car 

It's like Hamilton said at the beginning of the season he pushes and it feel's to him that the car is performing well . it's only when  he see's the lap times that he realises the car just isn't that good 

Oh, oh a load of tosh is it!

 Ok explain this. How come, last year, renault (who are the 5th biggest budget team behind toyota/ferrari/mclaren/redbull which includes toro rosso) managed to get a car from over 1.3 seconds slower than the pace, to just .3 of a second in the season? NOT only that, but how come, Pat symonds has PUBLICLY expressed how useful it is, to have fernando/ a driver who is so technically adapt and understands a car, can pinpoint the specific areas which need improvement to get the car quicker and to progress it, and to also inform the team how the car reacts on track, and what would be better to make it drive better?

So pat symonds, one of the best tech heads and strategists in the field, knows nothing but you do.

A driver cant tell you how the air moves, but he can tell you everything else, where its efficiencies, defficiencies and so forth are, and what areas a car is lacking, and not just 'grip', but pinpoint locations and how it acts.

When a driver is testing a car, which all teams are doing friday, then they go out and try every damn thing possible, whether its a split tenths less/more braking or acceleration to test adhesion and grip.

And there isnt abudget cap, so like you said, gone are the days of shedding money at everything (unless your ferrari). I bet next week both renault and mcLaren will take huge steps forward because of their CFD's.

So you sir, are talking the tosh, because a driver doesnt just jump in the car and expect it to go quick unless theyve had the cuddling of a team who has done that to them all their life. Real drivers know how to persue and develop a car with the team.

clearly, lewis hasnt got that yet.

if renault's success was due to fernando alonso then why is it that mclaren couldn't wait to get rid of him, and why are other teams not queueing up to sign him? it was a coincident that is why he cannot repeat the same this year. when you are good at something you are able to do it well time and time again, not now and again.

Ferrari- massive rumours, neither side speculates except with a wry smile. September 11th 2009 will reveal all. Especially with Santander/ferrari's ''special guest'' in november.
BMW- Alonso wouldnt want to go there. he's said that he doesnt want to. Nor does he want to partner kubica because he is one of his best friends
Redbull- Got vettel and Webber signed up. Red bull and Toro rosso CONFIRMED their interest in Alonso over the winter. Same with BMW, same with Ferrari and same with Honda, but Brawn said he couldnt afford him. Now their Brawn GP and button is paid £4mil, Alonso thought it would end in tears inwhich, it nearly did. They JUST made it onto the grid thanks to some back handers with FOM,
Williams- asif he'd go there. Frank is a terrible bloke to work with. been crap since 1998.
McLaren- Dont want alonso beating golden boy nor the prost/senna to happen. more fool them. well, actually looking at this year.....
Force India- ¬_¬
Toyota- signed with Glock and Trulli for the next few years + why would alonso go there? biggest budget for years on end with no success. dead end.

 

Renaults success WAS because of Fernando. Do you dare challenge that with your level of idiocy? Why do you think near on everybody sought after him when he left McLaren? Do they know something we dont? f1 live had interview after inteview with multiple bosses who all expressed alot of interest in Fernando. So obviously he's wanted. Fool. Which team has stated theyd take lewis? None. Ferrari said maybe. Williams say we could have, but didnt. Same with Kubica, renault said they could have but didnt.

None has said they WOULD. Unlike montezemolo, who publicly said his dream pairing would be Fernando and Kimi. Now tell me, is that one more endorsement lewis hasnt got?

And the reason they cannot repeat the same form as the end of last, is the same as your wonderful McLaren, who are doing WORSE than Renault, especially as Renault have only 1 decent driver; too much time on 08.

Both teams have big upgrades for next week, so we shall see how brill they are and cheer our drivers on.

i only know of ross brawn who showed interest in fernando alonso before this season started. apart from that i have not read about any other team showing interest in fernando. i do remember  mario at bmw saying he would never have alonso driving in his team but later said he would employ alonso.

if so many teams were interested in alonso, why did he go back to renault? 

 

aveli666:

mikhailv:

aveli666:

mikhailv:

wallace i:

mikhailv:

anametoremember:

aveli666:

according to reports on the itv website, hamilton will play a more active role in the design of his next car. the success of this project will confirm hamilton's understanding of technical matter and will hopefully stop people from spreading lies about him with the intention of making look bad.

i haven't noticed as much bile being spread about any other driver. he surely must take control of emotions.

That is a bit unprecendented for a driver isnt it? Tis can only mean Whitmarsh is still at McLaren next season and he doesnt trust him at all, surely if Dennis was about he wouldnt need to make such a big move. Good to know Hamilton knows a lot more about F1 cars than what we give him credit for, but it is still a bit unnerving to Hamilton has to go to such extreme measures which has fundlementallly come about from poor leadership from Whitmarsh and there are no two ends about it. This is just not the McLaren I know and have loved for the last 12 years or more, it sounds like a soul-less splintered team to me.

Heres me thinking he helped develop this years car. look where its at ;)

Nah seriously, I think it would be a good learning curve for him. He has yet to actually fully develop a car. Your being to harsh on whitmarsh (wow, that rhymes!), its not his fault. If you remember, Ron dennis set the team on the 2009 car in september 08, so he has to take the blame.

But yeah, i would like to see lewis develop THIS years car first. He just wants them to make a new one, a better one to give him. But, i dont think they should. he should continually develop and update the car and give the teams asmuch info as possible.

This is why I feel mclarens driver pairing is a failure. Lewis is very good, but he just hasnt got a knack for developing a car, Heikki;s been a test driver but is poorly performing overall. McLaren is missing a Fernando, a Felipe or a Wurz. Lewis hasnt gained the ability yet that they have he still cant rally a team around him and push forward. He complains but doesnt appear to make a full effort to try and advance. I dont think he's technically advanced enough to pinpoint problems, tell the team what they are doing wrong, the specifics of a problem. He just hasnt got that. It may come in the future ofcourse!

Mclaren as a team are missing Alonso, or David Coulthard.

That's just a load of tosh Mclaren are missing in season testing . In the past they have spent their way out of trouble . A driver can only give the team limited information about the car i.e wether or not they have understeer ' lack of traction ect . The driver can't see the way the air is moving around the car 

It's like Hamilton said at the beginning of the season he pushes and it feel's to him that the car is performing well . it's only when  he see's the lap times that he realises the car just isn't that good 

Oh, oh a load of tosh is it!

 Ok explain this. How come, last year, renault (who are the 5th biggest budget team behind toyota/ferrari/mclaren/redbull which includes toro rosso) managed to get a car from over 1.3 seconds slower than the pace, to just .3 of a second in the season? NOT only that, but how come, Pat symonds has PUBLICLY expressed how useful it is, to have fernando/ a driver who is so technically adapt and understands a car, can pinpoint the specific areas which need improvement to get the car quicker and to progress it, and to also inform the team how the car reacts on track, and what would be better to make it drive better?

So pat symonds, one of the best tech heads and strategists in the field, knows nothing but you do.

A driver cant tell you how the air moves, but he can tell you everything else, where its efficiencies, defficiencies and so forth are, and what areas a car is lacking, and not just 'grip', but pinpoint locations and how it acts.

When a driver is testing a car, which all teams are doing friday, then they go out and try every damn thing possible, whether its a split tenths less/more braking or acceleration to test adhesion and grip.

And there isnt abudget cap, so like you said, gone are the days of shedding money at everything (unless your ferrari). I bet next week both renault and mcLaren will take huge steps forward because of their CFD's.

So you sir, are talking the tosh, because a driver doesnt just jump in the car and expect it to go quick unless theyve had the cuddling of a team who has done that to them all their life. Real drivers know how to persue and develop a car with the team.

clearly, lewis hasnt got that yet.

if renault's success was due to fernando alonso then why is it that mclaren couldn't wait to get rid of him, and why are other teams not queueing up to sign him? it was a coincident that is why he cannot repeat the same this year. when you are good at something you are able to do it well time and time again, not now and again.

Ferrari- massive rumours, neither side speculates except with a wry smile. September 11th 2009 will reveal all. Especially with Santander/ferrari's ''special guest'' in november.
BMW- Alonso wouldnt want to go there. he's said that he doesnt want to. Nor does he want to partner kubica because he is one of his best friends
Redbull- Got vettel and Webber signed up. Red bull and Toro rosso CONFIRMED their interest in Alonso over the winter. Same with BMW, same with Ferrari and same with Honda, but Brawn said he couldnt afford him. Now their Brawn GP and button is paid £4mil, Alonso thought it would end in tears inwhich, it nearly did. They JUST made it onto the grid thanks to some back handers with FOM,
Williams- asif he'd go there. Frank is a terrible bloke to work with. been crap since 1998.
McLaren- Dont want alonso beating golden boy nor the prost/senna to happen. more fool them. well, actually looking at this year.....
Force India- ¬_¬
Toyota- signed with Glock and Trulli for the next few years + why would alonso go there? biggest budget for years on end with no success. dead end.

 

Renaults success WAS because of Fernando. Do you dare challenge that with your level of idiocy? Why do you think near on everybody sought after him when he left McLaren? Do they know something we dont? f1 live had interview after inteview with multiple bosses who all expressed alot of interest in Fernando. So obviously he's wanted. Fool. Which team has stated theyd take lewis? None. Ferrari said maybe. Williams say we could have, but didnt. Same with Kubica, renault said they could have but didnt.

None has said they WOULD. Unlike montezemolo, who publicly said his dream pairing would be Fernando and Kimi. Now tell me, is that one more endorsement lewis hasnt got?

And the reason they cannot repeat the same form as the end of last, is the same as your wonderful McLaren, who are doing WORSE than Renault, especially as Renault have only 1 decent driver; too much time on 08.

Both teams have big upgrades for next week, so we shall see how brill they are and cheer our drivers on.

i only know of ross brawn who showed interest in fernando alonso before this season started. apart from that i have not read about any other team showing interest in fernando. i do remember  mario at bmw saying he would never have alonso driving in his team but later said he would employ alonso.

if so many teams were interested in alonso, why did he go back to renault? 

 

Google it and youll see redbull and toro rosso wanted him, but they thought they wouldnt have a good enough car for him.

Why do you think he went back to renault? Team that idolises him? The team he built up with Flav (who is like his father) and Pat symonds and Bob Bell. The team who took him as a test driver, and built each other up to become back to back double world champions against the true best drivers in the world.

Why wouldnt he want to go back? He took a paycut to just £8 million a year, which is what £16 million off what he was paid last year? Especially as kimi gets near on 48 million euros. Alonso loves renault and vice versa.

mikhailv,

 

alonso went back to renault because no one else would have him. i saw something about red bull and honda but the bottom line is  if they were really serious about having alonso in their car, they would pay the price to have him because these teams spent much more money on wind tunnels and super computers to gain small improvements in performance. especially if alonso could bring so much development to the car.

alonso did not build the renault team, he just drove the car around the track very quickly. flavio brought alonso into f1 as a 20 year old and when he finally drove for renault, all the key players were already in place. 

aveli666:

mikhailv,

 

alonso went back to renault because no one else would have him. i saw something about red bull and honda but the bottom line is  if they were really serious about having alonso in their car, they would pay the price to have him because these teams spent much more money on wind tunnels and super computers to gain small improvements in performance. especially if alonso could bring so much development to the car.

alonso did not build the renault team, he just drove the car around the track very quickly. flavio brought alonso into f1 as a 20 year old and when he finally drove for renault, all the key players were already in place. 

Your, a complete JOKE. do you know that?

You obviously know better, than half the journalists, half the teams and their bosses, and all the other people who have come out and said this.

So if you want to be so daft, go ahead. You ask near on anyone else in this forum, and they can tell you Alonso helped build renault up asmuch as they helped build Alonso up.

And, alonso had other options. Didnt you hear the big rumours about him going to Honda? or Ferrari STILL going on about it? Redbull openly wanted him but couldnt afford or believe they could offer anything to him.

But hey, you know more than dietrich mateschitz!

 

mikhailv:

aveli666:

mikhailv,

 

alonso went back to renault because no one else would have him. i saw something about red bull and honda but the bottom line is  if they were really serious about having alonso in their car, they would pay the price to have him because these teams spent much more money on wind tunnels and super computers to gain small improvements in performance. especially if alonso could bring so much development to the car.

alonso did not build the renault team, he just drove the car around the track very quickly. flavio brought alonso into f1 as a 20 year old and when he finally drove for renault, all the key players were already in place. 

Your, a complete JOKE. do you know that?

You obviously know better, than half the journalists, half the teams and their bosses, and all the other people who have come out and said this.

So if you want to be so daft, go ahead. You ask near on anyone else in this forum, and they can tell you Alonso helped build renault up asmuch as they helped build Alonso up.

And, alonso had other options. Didnt you hear the big rumours about him going to Honda? or Ferrari STILL going on about it? Redbull openly wanted him but couldnt afford or believe they could offer anything to him.

But hey, you know more than dietrich mateschitz!

 

i don't claim to know anything better than anyone but what i do know is alonso said '' wen i first met flavio in 2000, in his apartment in london. i was an 18-year-old boy and here was this f1 boss, who was very clear and had no doubts about anything. he didn't care about any problems, he just said that renault were coming back to f1, they wanted to win with a long term project, and they wanted a young driver. he said i would have a place at minardy, the year after then go back to renault, step by step and in the end was true.''

this was the trusting comforting atmosphere alonso was dragged into, he didn't build the atmosphere as you claim. calm down and think carefully about it.

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

crzycanuk:

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

read the article and you will have a better understanding of what's going on here. there is an article about hamilton being intimately involved in the design of his next car.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46267

is there an article about any other driver being involved in the design stages of their car? if there is please post it otherwise stop making up stories.

aveli666:

crzycanuk:

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

read the article and you will have a better understanding of what's going on here. there is an article about hamilton being intimately involved in the design of his next car.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46267

is there an article about any other driver being involved in the design stages of their car? if there is please post it otherwise stop making up stories.

I don't know what you've been smoking, but that article was uninformative to say the least pertaining to this thread you have going.All it had in it was a bunch of "we're workin really hard ", and we'll get there garbage.But for you to believe that Lewis has any relevant background in designing automobiles,? I would have to think it's you who is making up the stories.

My thoughts that Schumacher might have had relevant info on  design were speculative only due to the fact that he at least appeared to be the most interested in his car and his competitors car design.

and if you need proof of that, well, where have you been the last 10 to 15 years.pfff

crzycanuk:

aveli666:

crzycanuk:

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

read the article and you will have a better understanding of what's going on here. there is an article about hamilton being intimately involved in the design of his next car.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46267

is there an article about any other driver being involved in the design stages of their car? if there is please post it otherwise stop making up stories.

I don't know what you've been smoking, but that article was uninformative to say the least pertaining to this thread you have going.All it had in it was a bunch of "we're workin really hard ", and we'll get there garbage.But for you to believe that Lewis has any relevant background in designing automobiles,? I would have to think it's you who is making up the stories.

My thoughts that Schumacher might have had relevant info on  design were speculative only due to the fact that he at least appeared to be the most interested in his car and his competitors car design.

and if you need proof of that, well, where have you been the last 10 to 15 years.pfff

no proof of your claims. the article above says what it says, nothing more nothing less. i didn't tell you any of my believes and there you go again making up stories. 

aveli666:

crzycanuk:

aveli666:

crzycanuk:

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

read the article and you will have a better understanding of what's going on here. there is an article about hamilton being intimately involved in the design of his next car.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46267

is there an article about any other driver being involved in the design stages of their car? if there is please post it otherwise stop making up stories.

I don't know what you've been smoking, but that article was uninformative to say the least pertaining to this thread you have going.All it had in it was a bunch of "we're workin really hard ", and we'll get there garbage.But for you to believe that Lewis has any relevant background in designing automobiles,? I would have to think it's you who is making up the stories.

My thoughts that Schumacher might have had relevant info on  design were speculative only due to the fact that he at least appeared to be the most interested in his car and his competitors car design.

and if you need proof of that, well, where have you been the last 10 to 15 years.pfff

no proof of your claims. the article above says what it says, nothing more nothing less. i didn't tell you any of my believes and there you go again making up stories. 

The article above entitled " We must ensure no '09 repeat" does not translate into "Lewis to aid in design of '2010's entry". Thus this entire thread is a big story, and you're the narrator. So I guess the question to you is, Wher's your proof of Hamilton helping to DESIGN next years car.

I think you read the article wrong, read it again.I think  you need to clarify your wording.Development and design are two different things.

. Glad I could clear that up for ya. cheers

crzycanuk:

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

i know it's about hamilton but this alonso fan wants to turn it into an alonso afair. 

aveli666:

crzycanuk:

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

i know it's about hamilton but this alonso fan wants to turn it into an alonso afair. 

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

I used Alonso, Schumacher and Coulthard as main reference points. You ended up trying, yes TRYING to discredit proof inwhich has come from many of the paddocks mouths regarding not just Fernando, but you just pinpoint him because your a complete fanboy of lewis who is completely perfect and never lied yet admitted he did.

So, I suggest YOU trying to act the innocent party, because anyone with a brain cell can read your previous posts which are provocative and to some can be considered derrogative of truth, to try and back your insanly stupid views.

mikhailv:

aveli666:

crzycanuk:

Hey, I thought this thread was about Lewis and his help in designing ? not developing next years car.

I for one would be very interested  in seeing a driver designed F1 car.

Firstly, how many drivers actually know much about chassis design, suspension design, pickup points for the suspension, geometry, holy crap the list goes on and on.

I've read loads of books on design of open wheel race cars,( I'm gonna build one for the fun of it), but I'm not expecting to do anything with it but crash.

If there ever was a driver who may have known, I would have to give the knod to Michael Schumacher.

But still, driver designed F1? I bet there would be a lot of retirements and crashing and the all too missed overtaking.LOL

cheers

i know it's about hamilton but this alonso fan wants to turn it into an alonso afair. 

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

I used Alonso, Schumacher and Coulthard as main reference points. You ended up trying, yes TRYING to discredit proof inwhich has come from many of the paddocks mouths regarding not just Fernando, but you just pinpoint him because your a complete fanboy of lewis who is completely perfect and never lied yet admitted he did.

So, I suggest YOU trying to act the innocent party, because anyone with a brain cell can read your previous posts which are provocative and to some can be considered derrogative of truth, to try and back your insanly stupid views.

come on, if there has been so much proof, you can surely find something about it on the net. i have looked but can't find any but i will not claim there isn't any because i am not the best person at looking for information on line. it would be a lot easier if you provided a link so we can all have a look.