KIMBO1:

No RE I woud say they cater for 99.9 percent of the drivers there is only one out their who cant manage his tryes, he couldnt last year but I imagined it would improve with experience but he doesnt seem to learn does he. This season can you please tell me where hamilton hasnt looked after his tyres? Turkey he had to think about what happened last season, softs didnt suit the balance of the car...and ferrari are innaely 0.2 seconds faster than McLaren...the lad tried something else, that doesnt add up into not looking after your tyres.....and I cant believe any fan of racing has a problem with someone pushing their car beyond the normal limits!

KIMBO1:

No RE I woud say they cater for 99.9 percent of the drivers there is only one out their who cant manage his tryes, he couldnt last year but I imagined it would improve with experience but he doesnt seem to learn does he.

Surely you mean 95% of drivers? 1 out of 20 is 5%, so Lewis accounts for 5% of the field....back to school for you!

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

amyyy89:

i disagree.

I think the bridgestone tyres are fine, they worked perfectly well for everyone else! why should they change them if just a couple of drivers can't drive on them?

 

Because the Bridgestone wheel construction is badly designed, and it could cause death... simple as.

Any design will eventually fail if it is abused too much. That is not a design fault. Simple, eh.

I don't recall Hamilton smashing over curbs and doing 360s on the track... he seemed to be driving like a F1 driver who was extracting the maximum performance out of the car...

This is a design fault that affects the better drivers - the one that happened in 2005 affected more... it's still a design fault, because no one was driving outside of typlical race parameters...

RaggedEdge:

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

amyyy89:

i disagree.

I think the bridgestone tyres are fine, they worked perfectly well for everyone else! why should they change them if just a couple of drivers can't drive on them?

 

Because the Bridgestone wheel construction is badly designed, and it could cause death... simple as.

Any design will eventually fail if it is abused too much. That is not a design fault. Simple, eh.

I don't recall Hamilton smashing over curbs and doing 360s on the track... he seemed to be driving like a F1 driver who was extracting the maximum performance out of the car...

This is a design fault that affects the better drivers - the one that happened in 2005 affected more... it's still a design fault, because no one was driving outside of typlical race parameters...

Hitting curbs and donuts are not the only abuse you can give a tyre, but you obviously do not have the expertise to see that, or in your attempt to defend your hero's shortcomings you are becoming blind.

Read the Q&A with Martin Whitmarsh in the features section on itv-f1.com. I quote the relevant bits:

"Q: What particular aspects of Istanbul Park prompted Lewis’s tyre problems?

MW: The simple answer is turn eight. We’re very strong in high-speed corners and our chassis generates a lot of front-end grip.

Last year we had a chunking problem with the tyre; this time it was sidewall delamination. We’re generating high vertical loads through those corners and that’s the problem."

"Q: Heikki was theoretically able to run a two-stop strategy. Are there marked differences between his driving style and Lewis’s?

MW: They run a slightly different set-up that puts a little bit more load on Lewis’s front tyres.

He was reasonably aggressive through turn eight and very quick, but he changed his style and racing line on Saturday."

"It was clearly a disadvantage to three-stop, otherwise it would have been a more fashionable strategy, so it would have been difficult to win even from pole."

So you can clearly see that even Whitmarsh has to confirm that Hamilton does not have the skills like Kovalainen to adapt to the track and therefore had to choose a less favourable strategy. A better driver will have enough skillls to adapt, while the lesser driver will need to have car or tyres or strategy adapted to his abilities.

RaggedEdge:

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

amyyy89:

i disagree.

I think the bridgestone tyres are fine, they worked perfectly well for everyone else! why should they change them if just a couple of drivers can't drive on them?

 

Because the Bridgestone wheel construction is badly designed, and it could cause death... simple as.

Any design will eventually fail if it is abused too much. That is not a design fault. Simple, eh.

I don't recall Hamilton smashing over curbs and doing 360s on the track... he seemed to be driving like a F1 driver who was extracting the maximum performance out of the car...

This is a design fault that affects the better drivers - the one that happened in 2005 affected more... it's still a design fault, because no one was driving outside of typlical race parameters...

A design fault that affects the better drivers? How come it didn't affect KR, FA, FM, HK, RK, NH??  Or are they simply not good enough?  The tyre problem was purely down to the way LH sets up and drives his car and nothing else. LH finished second which by implication means that he is not the better driver around Istanbul!

Stevesixty7:

I think it was just that, and Hamilton's pace on the hard tyres and his pass on Massa were brilliant. Also the gap to Kimi has shrunk by two points. Good race.

the last time i checked the difference between them was 7 points

justrace:

So you can clearly see that even Whitmarsh has to confirm that Hamilton does not have the skills like Kovalainen to adapt to the track and therefore had to choose a less favourable strategy. A better driver will have enough skillls to adapt, while the lesser driver will need to have car or tyres or strategy adapted to his abilities.

Spot on, and from the horses mouth so to speak, it's little wonder that McLaren were unable to give a definitive reason for his three stopper, ie: "we were forced to", "we chose to"  Rather than cosseting and trying to flatter their driver they should insist he develops the talents required to look after the tyres, 19 other drivers managed it okay.

thefastone:

Stevesixty7:

I think it was just that, and Hamilton's pace on the hard tyres and his pass on Massa were brilliant. Also the gap to Kimi has shrunk by two points. Good race.

the last time i checked the difference between them was 7 points

RaggedEdge:

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

amyyy89:

i disagree.

I think the bridgestone tyres are fine, they worked perfectly well for everyone else! why should they change them if just a couple of drivers can't drive on them?

 

Because the Bridgestone wheel construction is badly designed, and it could cause death... simple as.

Any design will eventually fail if it is abused too much. That is not a design fault. Simple, eh.

I don't recall Hamilton smashing over curbs and doing 360s on the track... he seemed to be driving like a F1 driver who was extracting the maximum performance out of the car...

This is a design fault that affects the better drivers - the one that happened in 2005 affected more... it's still a design fault, because no one was driving outside of typlical race parameters...

Driving outside typical race parameters?  What exactly does that mean?  Affects the better drivers? I seem to recall Massa being faster at Turkey and he seemed unaffected by the tyres.  Kimi is leading the world championship and is the current WDC......also unaffected funnily enough.  Kovalainen outqualified Lewis in the same car and general opinion at McLaren and in the media seems to be that he might have had a shot at Massa at Turkey.  Unaffected.  Lewis has not proven by any means that he is the best driver in the field at present so implying that he is the only one that is suffering on the Bridgestones due to his unrivaled talent and speed carries no weight whatsoever. 

raikkster:

RaggedEdge:

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

amyyy89:

i disagree.

I think the bridgestone tyres are fine, they worked perfectly well for everyone else! why should they change them if just a couple of drivers can't drive on them?

 

Because the Bridgestone wheel construction is badly designed, and it could cause death... simple as.

Any design will eventually fail if it is abused too much. That is not a design fault. Simple, eh.

I don't recall Hamilton smashing over curbs and doing 360s on the track... he seemed to be driving like a F1 driver who was extracting the maximum performance out of the car...

This is a design fault that affects the better drivers - the one that happened in 2005 affected more... it's still a design fault, because no one was driving outside of typlical race parameters...

Driving outside typical race parameters?  What exactly does that mean?  Affects the better drivers? I seem to recall Massa being faster at Turkey and he seemed unaffected by the tyres.  Kimi is leading the world championship and is the current WDC......also unaffected funnily enough.  Kovalainen outqualified Lewis in the same car and general opinion at McLaren and in the media seems to be that he might have had a shot at Massa at Turkey.  Unaffected.  Lewis has not proven by any means that he is the best driver in the field at present so implying that he is the only one that is suffering on the Bridgestones due to his unrivaled talent and speed carries no weight whatsoever. 

Only reason Hamilton didn't go faster was due to the safety issues of the Bridgestones...

Bridgestone have no excuse for making a construction which helps slower driving styles by slowing down faster driving styles.

thefastone:

Stevesixty7:

I think it was just that, and Hamilton's pace on the hard tyres and his pass on Massa were brilliant. Also the gap to Kimi has shrunk by two points. Good race.

the last time i checked the difference between them was 7 points

Now why did some instinctive inside of me tell me to book mark this page?

anametoremember:

thefastone:

Stevesixty7:

I think it was just that, and Hamilton's pace on the hard tyres and his pass on Massa were brilliant. Also the gap to Kimi has shrunk by two points. Good race.

the last time i checked the difference between them was 7 points

Now why did some instinctive inside of me tell me to book mark this page?