anametoremember:

no t.c.:

red beasts:

We can all slide our cars about on the road! And we all know our tyres won't last long by doing so!! So why does Lewis need to slide an F1 car around the track and compromise a pit stop by doing so. What a pathetic strategy!

 

Now THATS what i'm talking about, why can't the Lewis fans see this. In their eyes he can't do any wrong!! If he crashes he is just pushing the boundries for them, not making a mistake. If he wrecks his wheels he is just a racer and its the tyre's fault (dear god) not his.

At least us real F1 fans don't make all the crazy excuses you see from Lewis fans.

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

You claim 'that dull trend we have seen for the last 4 races' - wasn't the exciting, on-the-edge, Lewis also in those 4 races? Why wasn't he exciting in those? You are using his antics at the Turkish GP to big him up as a raw pure racer, when in reality he is nothing of the sort - merely a driver who looks good but is ultimately not quick enough!

Ronaldo and Ali achieve(d) their end product - Lewis didn't. If he had a 3-stop strategy and had won the race we would all be quite rightly be lauding his achievement.  But ultimately, his strategy failed because instead of chasing the leader, he fell back into the hands of 3rd place and was fighting to keep second.  There has to be an end product to all the flamboyance and Lewis did not deliver on that.

F1 is a marathon not a sprint! It's all about managing what you have to get to the finish as quickly as possible.  That is not boring but requires talent - talent that Lewis is clearly lacking.  A bucket load of drivers can do what Lewis does, but only a handful can do what Kimi and Fernando have achieved - and that is Lewis' goal, something he will never achieve until he learns to manage the characteristics of the tools given to him.

Interesting that LH is the only one that is having tire problems because of his driving sytle.

 Sliding on the tires is not the fastest way around the track so it suggests that LH could go faster then he is now.

To do that he would have to change his driving style or else his race strategy could be compromised having to do more pitstops then others.  I wonder wy this has popped up for this race and not the others.  What is different?
 

ptaylor747:

anametoremember:

no t.c.:

red beasts:

We can all slide our cars about on the road! And we all know our tyres won't last long by doing so!! So why does Lewis need to slide an F1 car around the track and compromise a pit stop by doing so. What a pathetic strategy!

 

Now THATS what i'm talking about, why can't the Lewis fans see this. In their eyes he can't do any wrong!! If he crashes he is just pushing the boundries for them, not making a mistake. If he wrecks his wheels he is just a racer and its the tyre's fault (dear god) not his.

At least us real F1 fans don't make all the crazy excuses you see from Lewis fans.

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

You claim 'that dull trend we have seen for the last 4 races' - wasn't the exciting, on-the-edge, Lewis also in those 4 races? Why wasn't he exciting in those? You are using his antics at the Turkish GP to big him up as a raw pure racer, when in reality he is nothing of the sort - merely a driver who looks good but is ultimately not quick enough!

Ronaldo and Ali achieve(d) their end product - Lewis didn't. If he had a 3-stop strategy and had won the race we would all be quite rightly be lauding his achievement.  But ultimately, his strategy failed because instead of chasing the leader, he fell back into the hands of 3rd place and was fighting to keep second.  There has to be an end product to all the flamboyance and Lewis did not deliver on that.

F1 is a marathon not a sprint! It's all about managing what you have to get to the finish as quickly as possible.  That is not boring but requires talent - talent that Lewis is clearly lacking.  A bucket load of drivers can do what Lewis does, but only a handful can do what Kimi and Fernando have achieved - and that is Lewis' goal, something he will never achieve until he learns to manage the characteristics of the tools given to him.

If you think driving slowly is a sign of talent, then F1 is not the sport for you... anyone can save rubber by going slow and avoiding the limit... the whole point of F1 is to excel, and live on the edge...

The FIA and Bridgestone have failed to provide a compound that is good enough for Hamilton's skill... it tends to suit the cruise control drivers more...

At least next year, we will be back on slicks, which will allow more of Hamilton driving style to shine through...

For now, Bridgestone should really provide a range of compounds and let each team choose the one that suits them, and not force them to choose cruise compounds only....

Another total failure by the FIA, under the guidance of Max...

'07 WDC Hamilton 2nd

Alonso 3rd.

You hate Hamilton. Your post is daft.

ptaylor747:

anametoremember:

no t.c.:

red beasts:

We can all slide our cars about on the road! And we all know our tyres won't last long by doing so!! So why does Lewis need to slide an F1 car around the track and compromise a pit stop by doing so. What a pathetic strategy!

 

Now THATS what i'm talking about, why can't the Lewis fans see this. In their eyes he can't do any wrong!! If he crashes he is just pushing the boundries for them, not making a mistake. If he wrecks his wheels he is just a racer and its the tyre's fault (dear god) not his.

At least us real F1 fans don't make all the crazy excuses you see from Lewis fans.

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

You claim 'that dull trend we have seen for the last 4 races' - wasn't the exciting, on-the-edge, Lewis also in those 4 races? Why wasn't he exciting in those? You are using his antics at the Turkish GP to big him up as a raw pure racer, when in reality he is nothing of the sort - merely a driver who looks good but is ultimately not quick enough!

Ronaldo and Ali achieve(d) their end product - Lewis didn't. If he had a 3-stop strategy and had won the race we would all be quite rightly be lauding his achievement.  But ultimately, his strategy failed because instead of chasing the leader, he fell back into the hands of 3rd place and was fighting to keep second.  There has to be an end product to all the flamboyance and Lewis did not deliver on that.

F1 is a marathon not a sprint! It's all about managing what you have to get to the finish as quickly as possible.  That is not boring but requires talent - talent that Lewis is clearly lacking.  A bucket load of drivers can do what Lewis does, but only a handful can do what Kimi and Fernando have achieved - and that is Lewis' goal, something he will never achieve until he learns to manage the characteristics of the tools given to him.

First of all, I thought Lewis drive in Oz was strong and mature, had nothing to do wasnt his fault. Lumpa he tried and needed to learn once again and sticking behind webber well I wasnt pleased at all, Bahrain obviously FAILED to do his job, Spain I first said he was mature, but retracted that statement once I realised he waited for Alonso to pit (how boring) Highlights of the last four races before turkey was...Kimi's stunts in Oz, DC collisions and Hamilton ramming into the back of Alonso...if anyone outshone anybody before Turkey it had to be Kubica!

And as for end product to Ronaldo's style...yes...but his first two season was full of donkey tricks, and yes everyone wanted him to be like Beckham, play from midfield release the ball and be safe and boring...thank goodness he thought otherwised and homed in on his skills...if not we wouldnt be witnesses his style and technical ablity on the ball which is on a class of his own! Midfield over 40 goals, phenominal!

As for F1 being a marathon....jog on, maybe in max mosleys and your books, but certainly not in anyone elses! To me it is about burning rubber, showing flair, techincal ablity, being the best, trying something different, stratergies and sprinting as fast as you can....remember the days of Schumachers dominance, ever so him jogging when he was in the lead or not, no he set off into the distances as soon as he could even in the rain!

My post was in response to ptaylor747 's comments. I can't be bothered to completely destroy what he said in a more sophisticated manner.

anametoremember:

stayahead:

anametoremember:

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

 

You talk like Hamilton has revolutionised F1 racing, which is simply not the case. This 3-stop strategy was not of his choosing. He was given no option. When you have a lighter car, you can push harder and ultimately go faster as a result. Its not as if this was a master genius strategy or something, he had to choose that strategy because of tyre wear. If it wasn't for tyre concerns he would have used the "boring and conventional" strategy like everyone else because 2-stops is the fastest way to complete the race distance all things being equal.

 

Hamilton hasn't done anything revolutionary here. Correct me if I'm wrong, he hasn't even won a race from anywhere else but pole position yet. When he wins a race from 18th on the grid (like Kimi Japan 2005), then you might have a point.

Bleeding heck, give him a break, he has only had 23 F1 races, from that 5 wins, and hasnt finished out of the top 3 no more than 7 times....not bad you know, can you imgine when he does finally perfect himself...sheesh, it will be mind blowing! Kimis had like 103 more F1 races than him and most of them in a McLaren, then the same amount as Hamilton in a top notch superior Ferrari!

All completely irrelevant. He is a great driver and no doubt. But he was gifted a drive in the strongest car. He only ever had to challenge 3 other drivers. That is a major factor to his impressive stat count and you are well aware of this. So stop with the implying that he rose against the odds **** because it simply isn't true. Not many F1 drivers are gifted a top drive in their first season of F1. You can be sure his stats wouldn't read the same if he was in a toyota or a honda.   

He's still a young driver he will learn to manage his tyres better, its all well and good being able to burn rubber real good, but its no good if you have to implement a 3 stop strategy in order for you to get to the finish line. Lewis doesn't look after his tyres, it's a skill he needs to learn quickly if he wants to win races.

 

RaggedEdge:

racer 111:

I have tried to look at the postings in a balance way over the last year.

But some of the vitriolic comments sent LH's way, have brought me to the conclusion that a number of contributors are more bothered about LH's origins than his driving ability.

If you look at the postings there is healthy like / dislike balance over most drivers, but with LH it is unique unbalanced.

So please before you *** off a drive, take a few seconds to think,"Why am I writing this"

And before anyone starts, I am a white Anglo-Saxon and if anything, right wing male

It's either that or the fact LH is driving like a potential MS, and we all know what MS can do to Kimi given a fraction of a chance...

LH is a threat to Kimi, and his performances highlight the edge which is entirely missing from Kimi's...

The fact he is black, is just adding fuel to the already burning hot fire of hate...

Fair balanced viewpoints are so rare these days... sometimes it feels like commonsense was not distributed fairly amongst the F1 fans when god created them...

There is nothing balanced in your posts. Maybe you two should have thought "why am I wrtiting this?" before you posted. If that unfounded accusation is all you can say in defence of your favourite driver, it is not more than pathetic. 

RaggedEdge:

ptaylor747:

anametoremember:

no t.c.:

red beasts:

We can all slide our cars about on the road! And we all know our tyres won't last long by doing so!! So why does Lewis need to slide an F1 car around the track and compromise a pit stop by doing so. What a pathetic strategy!

 

Now THATS what i'm talking about, why can't the Lewis fans see this. In their eyes he can't do any wrong!! If he crashes he is just pushing the boundries for them, not making a mistake. If he wrecks his wheels he is just a racer and its the tyre's fault (dear god) not his.

At least us real F1 fans don't make all the crazy excuses you see from Lewis fans.

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

You claim 'that dull trend we have seen for the last 4 races' - wasn't the exciting, on-the-edge, Lewis also in those 4 races? Why wasn't he exciting in those? You are using his antics at the Turkish GP to big him up as a raw pure racer, when in reality he is nothing of the sort - merely a driver who looks good but is ultimately not quick enough!

Ronaldo and Ali achieve(d) their end product - Lewis didn't. If he had a 3-stop strategy and had won the race we would all be quite rightly be lauding his achievement.  But ultimately, his strategy failed because instead of chasing the leader, he fell back into the hands of 3rd place and was fighting to keep second.  There has to be an end product to all the flamboyance and Lewis did not deliver on that.

F1 is a marathon not a sprint! It's all about managing what you have to get to the finish as quickly as possible.  That is not boring but requires talent - talent that Lewis is clearly lacking.  A bucket load of drivers can do what Lewis does, but only a handful can do what Kimi and Fernando have achieved - and that is Lewis' goal, something he will never achieve until he learns to manage the characteristics of the tools given to him.

If you think driving slowly is a sign of talent, then F1 is not the sport for you... anyone can save rubber by going slow and avoiding the limit... the whole point of F1 is to excel, and live on the edge...

The FIA and Bridgestone have failed to provide a compound that is good enough for Hamilton's skill... it tends to suit the cruise control drivers more...

At least next year, we will be back on slicks, which will allow more of Hamilton driving style to shine through...

For now, Bridgestone should really provide a range of compounds and let each team choose the one that suits them, and not force them to choose cruise compounds only....

Another total failure by the FIA, under the guidance of Max...

Felipe Massa didn't drive slowly - he qualified quicker and completed the race quicker than Lewis Hamilton. He was also on Bridgestones so I'm sure we can all agree that the tyres can handle the speed!

kensaundm31:

'07 WDC Hamilton 2nd

Alonso 3rd.

You hate Hamilton. Your post is daft.

FA 2 x WDC, LH 0 x WDC.

kensaundm31:

My post was in response to ptaylor747 's comments. I can't be bothered to completely destroy what he said in a more sophisticated manner.

 

Can't be bothered or unable to?

ptaylor talks sense!

anametoremember:

First of all, I thought Lewis drive in Oz was strong and mature, had nothing to do wasnt his fault. Lumpa he tried and needed to learn once again and sticking behind webber well I wasnt pleased at all, Bahrain obviously FAILED to do his job, Spain I first said he was mature, but retracted that statement once I realised he waited for Alonso to pit (how boring) Highlights of the last four races before turkey was...Kimi's stunts in Oz, DC collisions and Hamilton ramming into the back of Alonso...if anyone outshone anybody before Turkey it had to be Kubica!

And as for end product to Ronaldo's style...yes...but his first two season was full of donkey tricks, and yes everyone wanted him to be like Beckham, play from midfield release the ball and be safe and boring...thank goodness he thought otherwised and homed in on his skills...if not we wouldnt be witnesses his style and technical ablity on the ball which is on a class of his own! Midfield over 40 goals, phenominal!

As for F1 being a marathon....jog on, maybe in max mosleys and your books, but certainly not in anyone elses! To me it is about burning rubber, showing flair, techincal ablity, being the best, trying something different, stratergies and sprinting as fast as you can....remember the days of Schumachers dominance, ever so him jogging when he was in the lead or not, no he set off into the distances as soon as he could even in the rain!

Ronaldo honed his skills - isn't that rather the point I've been trying to make? LH needs to hone his skills to ensure he can achieve his objectives - which his current skills do not allow.

Yes, MS did set off into the distance, because his skills allowed him to do that - Lewis is not yet on that level.  As I said previously, if his 3 stop strategy had won him the race then I would have applauded him but it didn't - it only slowed him down and for all his 'burning rubber' he ended up effectively going backwards and for the life of me I cannot see the skill or talent in that!

no t.c.:

anametoremember:

stayahead:

anametoremember:

Because ultimately it is BORING, doesnt suit him, fits into that dull trend we have seen in the last 4 races before Turkey, gives the sport no entertainment value WHATSOEVER!

Why does Christian Ronaldo have to get extra flashy and flamboyant and dribbles alot...why cant he simply release the ball like Beckham and stay in midfield...surely it is better to release the ball quickly and save time? Well yeah, however the dribbling is good on the eye, raises his skills and puts him in line to be the best footballer in the world for 20072008 season!

Why did Mohammed Ali dance around in the ring, surely he would have saved energy and strength if he punched like a stiff block?

We can all take the SAFE boring convential lifeless route, and PLOD on but it takes an extra special talent to come out of the box and do a little something different!

 

You talk like Hamilton has revolutionised F1 racing, which is simply not the case. This 3-stop strategy was not of his choosing. He was given no option. When you have a lighter car, you can push harder and ultimately go faster as a result. Its not as if this was a master genius strategy or something, he had to choose that strategy because of tyre wear. If it wasn't for tyre concerns he would have used the "boring and conventional" strategy like everyone else because 2-stops is the fastest way to complete the race distance all things being equal.

 

Hamilton hasn't done anything revolutionary here. Correct me if I'm wrong, he hasn't even won a race from anywhere else but pole position yet. When he wins a race from 18th on the grid (like Kimi Japan 2005), then you might have a point.

Bleeding heck, give him a break, he has only had 23 F1 races, from that 5 wins, and hasnt finished out of the top 3 no more than 7 times....not bad you know, can you imgine when he does finally perfect himself...sheesh, it will be mind blowing! Kimis had like 103 more F1 races than him and most of them in a McLaren, then the same amount as Hamilton in a top notch superior Ferrari!

All completely irrelevant. He is a great driver and no doubt. But he was gifted a drive in the strongest car. He only ever had to challenge 3 other drivers. That is a major factor to his impressive stat count and you are well aware of this. So stop with the implying that he rose against the odds **** because it simply isn't true. Not many F1 drivers are gifted a top drive in their first season of F1. You can be sure his stats wouldn't read the same if he was in a toyota or a honda.   

Look I seen Dela Rosa (replacement) and Montoya in an inform McLaren STRUGGLING, DC was also gifted a seat as a rookie with Williams and McLaren..so that isnt even the case. I dont think where you are in the grid matters, if you are at the front (fantastic of course) and if you are in the middle or back, it is how you handle the car and what you do with the car...and why, on the whole.

I pointed out Kubica who is not in the most dominating car to be one of the best drivers this season, though every one wants to win the WDC they cant...so we need to also look at the statistics and who stood at the most.

Besides Hamilton has also proved his early year records also,1st year in GP2, equal cars and won...in my humble opinion, you could make some comparisions to GP2 and backend grid cars...and Hamilton did his thing there also...though winning GP2 most be a lot more harder and requires a lot more dedication than going around in circles in a back in car and being as good as a tester with no pressures placed on your shoulders for one season...both Kimi and Alonso only spent 1 season in a back end car!!

If you think Hamilton was gifted a seat at McLaren, no one gifted him giving Alonso's butox a good hiding, now if only RD gave him premising to overtake Alonso at Monaco!!

kensaundm31:

My post was in response to ptaylor747 's comments. I can't be bothered to completely destroy what he said in a more sophisticated manner.

Don't bother posting then, as you came across as ignorant and pathetic. I have tried to put across my thoughts on this debate, whereas you 'can't be bothered to destroy' what I said, which rather defeats the point of posting on a forum.