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  •  05-13-2008, 9:34 PM 699164 in reply to 699088

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    RaggedEdge:

    shumacher world n01:
    Michael shumacher, kimi is not, but kimi didn`t want that stigma , he`s not like shumi at all, no one will ever be like shumi,not fernando ,not hamilton NO ONE the great michael schumacher is one of a kind,a freak of a racer that the likes of you or me will NEVER see again in our lifetime,face it he will never be emulated EVER.and a true shumi fan i am,i remeber the shumi era when the f1 weekend got close,i got uncontrolable butterflies in my stomatch,saturday qualifing was more intence,then he grabs pole my heart almost flies outta my chest,then sunday the race, couldn`t sleep much the nite before,trying to work out  ferraris tactics,eventuly i sleep, wake early in the morning with hour`s untill the race wondering what to do untill then,then it finally happens,the lights go out,their off my heart this time feels like it`s gonna explode like a bomb,feel soooo excited im almost sick,then as he did many times over, WINS ,victory was for us ferrari and michael fans again!!! this feeling has been lost in time now and will probaly never be felt again, like the feeling i got when schumacher drove a prancing horseBig Smile to all shumi fans out there,we will always know the truth,and the haters can just keep on hating 

    Kimi would love to be like Michael Schumacher but he has neither the depth, intelligence or racecraft... at best, he is Massa without a personality...

    As for your thoughts on Michael, I can assure you I witnessed and experienced the exact same feeling, except I couldn't care less that he was in a Ferrari...

    Ferrari is a dull and boring brand now without Michael Schumacher, and I've read and heard numerious people say they find Ferrrari a bit of a bore now... this will likely be the Kimi factor kicking in...

    Yes, no two greats are the same, but Hamilton is demonstrating the raw racecraft I would expect to see in a young great... his fundamantal racecraft is on another level to the current crop of drivers... lets see how high he goes.

    If McLaren weren't handicapped by a mental Alonso, FIA/Ferrari financial politics, Max vs Ron personal vendettas, internal McLaren strategy sabotage then Hamilton would have won the WDC by a country mile... he didn't lead the WDC for no reason... Kimi won nothing in 2007 except award for being in the right place when McLaren had to pull the plug on their WCC and WDC challenge on the instruction of the FIA...

    If we want good racing and those old feelings to return, it will be in all our interests to see the departure of Max as an oppportunity for the FIA to mend its level of corruption and produce a tight set of regulation without ambiguity and regulate the sport in a team neutral fashion...

    After MS, if Hamilton hadn't turned up, I can 100% say I would have been happy to stop watching F1 despite having followed it since 1994... the racing is all but dead thanks to the FIA and Max's dream of turning it into a game of chess... what an idiot... not surprised people are putting spotters out in Monaco, so they can avoid him...

    Though Schumacher cheesed me off, that was a great post!

  •  05-13-2008, 9:49 PM 699181 in reply to 699088

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    RaggedEdge:

    shumacher world n01:
    Michael shumacher, kimi is not, but kimi didn`t want that stigma , he`s not like shumi at all, no one will ever be like shumi,not fernando ,not hamilton NO ONE the great michael schumacher is one of a kind,a freak of a racer that the likes of you or me will NEVER see again in our lifetime,face it he will never be emulated EVER.and a true shumi fan i am,i remeber the shumi era when the f1 weekend got close,i got uncontrolable butterflies in my stomatch,saturday qualifing was more intence,then he grabs pole my heart almost flies outta my chest,then sunday the race, couldn`t sleep much the nite before,trying to work out  ferraris tactics,eventuly i sleep, wake early in the morning with hour`s untill the race wondering what to do untill then,then it finally happens,the lights go out,their off my heart this time feels like it`s gonna explode like a bomb,feel soooo excited im almost sick,then as he did many times over, WINS ,victory was for us ferrari and michael fans again!!! this feeling has been lost in time now and will probaly never be felt again, like the feeling i got when schumacher drove a prancing horseBig Smile to all shumi fans out there,we will always know the truth,and the haters can just keep on hating 

    Kimi would love to be like Michael Schumacher but he has neither the depth, intelligence or racecraft... at best, he is Massa without a personality...

     

    Indeed....well sounds like more Kimi hate to me, with no basis other than your anger at MS retiring....

     
     
    As for your thoughts on Michael, I can assure you I witnessed and experienced the exact same feeling, except I couldn't care less that he was in a Ferrari...

    Ferrari is a dull and boring brand now without Michael Schumacher, and I've read and heard numerious people say they find Ferrrari a bit of a bore now... this will likely be the Kimi factor kicking in...

     

    yeah....Probably British Macca fans...but please, carry on....

     

    Yes, no two greats are the same, but Hamilton is demonstrating the raw racecraft I would expect to see in a young great... his fundamantal racecraft is on another level to the current crop of drivers... lets see how high he goes.

     

    .......Based on his run to second.........from third? ....easily pleased aren't you....what is it they say about simple and pleasing?.....

     

    If McLaren weren't handicapped by a mental Alonso, FIA/Ferrari financial politics, Max vs Ron personal vendettas, internal McLaren strategy sabotage then Hamilton would have won the WDC by a country mile... he didn't lead the WDC for no reason... Kimi won nothing in 2007 except award for being in the right place when McLaren had to pull the plug on their WCC and WDC challenge on the instruction of the FIA...

     

    A wild imagination, fueled by your burning hate for Ferrari because MS isn't there, any more?... 

     

    If we want good racing and those old feelings to return, it will be in all our interests to see the departure of Max as an oppportunity for the FIA to mend its level of corruption and produce a tight set of regulation without ambiguity and regulate the sport in a team neutral fashion...

     

    .........See above, boy, you do go on a bit..... 

     

    After MS, if Hamilton hadn't turned up, I can 100% say I would have been happy to stop watching F1 despite having followed it since 1994... the racing is all but dead thanks to the FIA and Max's dream of turning it into a game of chess... what an idiot... not surprised people are putting spotters out in Monaco, so they can avoid him...

     

    I think a lot of people would have been happy if you stopped watching after MS went :P 

  •  05-13-2008, 9:53 PM 699185 in reply to 699163

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    anametoremember:
    KIMBO1:

     

    What ever you say doesnt alter the fact that Hamilton has never won from anywhere but pole and Kimi has on several occasions and there is no excuse for him.  What  did he do in the last race went from third to second only Kimi went from fourth to third although he had a slightly damaged wing thanks to being squeezed at the start which didnt get Heikki anywhere but spoilt the race for himself and Kimi. I do believe though  that although Kimi had more fuel and a damaged wing he did manage to do fastest lap so not a bad effort - well done Kimi


    Seriously you said that as if it will never happen for Hamilton, and if I remember correctly Hamilton was more than willing to overtake win from a postion he didnt start from pole in...one of the most hardest tracks to drive on, MONACO 2007!

    Hamilton will soon win from a none pole postion from sheer driving skill (not because of a superior car or Ferrari off form...sheer SKILL) and kept you lot finding faults else where , if Hamilton was prepared to drive like that with no TC, and a car which was 0.2 seconds of Ferrari's pace....I say the Hamilton I know is back, all that careful driving he was trying to adopt, ruined his form, he is backkkkkkkkDevil!!

    now pay attention. All drivers are willing to overtake. Lewis being more than willing to overtake in monaco is one thing. Being able to overtake is another. And I'm sorry i've seen very little of him overtaking for a win......as in.....never.......am I wrong? Please, tell me if i'm wrong...... 

  •  05-13-2008, 9:59 PM 699188 in reply to 699181

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

     

    tc you must have read my mind but I didnt think it would be allowed

  •  05-13-2008, 10:03 PM 699193 in reply to 699188

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    KIMBO1:

     

    tc you must have read my mind but I didnt think it would be allowed


    Not on this Forum lolol. But my god I am entertained by the fictional prose published on here, how about you? 

  •  05-13-2008, 10:12 PM 699205 in reply to 699185

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    no t.c.:
    anametoremember:
    KIMBO1:

     

    What ever you say doesnt alter the fact that Hamilton has never won from anywhere but pole and Kimi has on several occasions and there is no excuse for him.  What  did he do in the last race went from third to second only Kimi went from fourth to third although he had a slightly damaged wing thanks to being squeezed at the start which didnt get Heikki anywhere but spoilt the race for himself and Kimi. I do believe though  that although Kimi had more fuel and a damaged wing he did manage to do fastest lap so not a bad effort - well done Kimi


    Seriously you said that as if it will never happen for Hamilton, and if I remember correctly Hamilton was more than willing to overtake win from a postion he didnt start from pole in...one of the most hardest tracks to drive on, MONACO 2007!

    Hamilton will soon win from a none pole postion from sheer driving skill (not because of a superior car or Ferrari off form...sheer SKILL) and kept you lot finding faults else where , if Hamilton was prepared to drive like that with no TC, and a car which was 0.2 seconds of Ferrari's pace....I say the Hamilton I know is back, all that careful driving he was trying to adopt, ruined his form, he is backkkkkkkkDevil!!

    now pay attention. All drivers are willing to overtake. Lewis being more than willing to overtake in monaco is one thing. Being able to overtake is another. And I'm sorry i've seen very little of him overtaking for a win......as in.....never.......am I wrong? Please, tell me if i'm wrong...... 

    Now you pay attention  with front running cars, Hamilton is the only one who has overtaken, with a strategy him and McLaren devised to turn a 0.2 second slower car to a car 1.4 second on its faster lap. Plus if I am right, we have seen many cars been faster behind a slow car and stuck there, and had to wait for pits. And just the whole no tc, areodynamics and tyre issues drivers are fighting with when they go to overtake makes Hamiltons move phenominal.

    Out of all the surprises and disappointmenst one gets on their birthday, for me, Hamilton made mine it was the best present I can wish for, he has restored my buzz, my faith in F1 as a fast and an exciting sport and the antisipation for Monaco is driving me crazy....he may not win, but i do believe he will put on one hell of a show.... I am happy, I seriously think the guy has drawn out every good hormone and emotion one can natural flow in your body naturally! I cant explain it but try drinking 10 cans of red bull and 5 cups of coffee and maybe you might be there?

  •  05-13-2008, 11:00 PM 699230 in reply to 699193

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    no t.c.:
    KIMBO1:

     

    tc you must have read my mind but I didnt think it would be allowed


    Not on this Forum lolol. But my god I am entertained by the fictional prose published on here, how about you? 

    You can say that again, its better than any novel you could read Smile

     

     

     

     

  •  05-14-2008, 12:37 AM 699251 in reply to 699230

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    hamilton reminds me of that band,bucks fizz,you know eurovision song contest 1980s,yeah wern`t they a 1 hit wonder too????  even JV progressed in his second season i`v said before hamilton decided to take his rookie season this year instead of last.this kid is really cuckoo,out there with the fairys,didn`t he vowe last year to do better this year,"oh i`v learned my lessons from brazill,i`m gonna play the percentage game this year"blaah,blaah blaah, never seen any one so happy to drop to third in the championship,honestly it`s laughable "oh it was my bestest race ever,ever" and aint mclaren lucky to catch a big fish like kovy(not) reminds me of frank bruno,really nice chap(excep
    when cutting up kimi)but too nice, never gonna excel in his sport,renult didn`t seem to see a bright star shining,they give him the boot didn`t they??? that makes him a renult reject,i suppose mclaren need to grag what they can coz they aint got much els left in their arsenal.they aint won since hakkinen and i`m sure he must be drawing his pension now!!!! seriously has it been that long????embaracing ehEmbarrassed

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  •  05-14-2008, 11:29 AM 699279 in reply to 699205

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    anametoremember:
    no t.c.:
    anametoremember:
    KIMBO1:

     

    What ever you say doesnt alter the fact that Hamilton has never won from anywhere but pole and Kimi has on several occasions and there is no excuse for him.  What  did he do in the last race went from third to second only Kimi went from fourth to third although he had a slightly damaged wing thanks to being squeezed at the start which didnt get Heikki anywhere but spoilt the race for himself and Kimi. I do believe though  that although Kimi had more fuel and a damaged wing he did manage to do fastest lap so not a bad effort - well done Kimi


    Seriously you said that as if it will never happen for Hamilton, and if I remember correctly Hamilton was more than willing to overtake win from a postion he didnt start from pole in...one of the most hardest tracks to drive on, MONACO 2007!

    Hamilton will soon win from a none pole postion from sheer driving skill (not because of a superior car or Ferrari off form...sheer SKILL) and kept you lot finding faults else where , if Hamilton was prepared to drive like that with no TC, and a car which was 0.2 seconds of Ferrari's pace....I say the Hamilton I know is back, all that careful driving he was trying to adopt, ruined his form, he is backkkkkkkkDevil!!

    now pay attention. All drivers are willing to overtake. Lewis being more than willing to overtake in monaco is one thing. Being able to overtake is another. And I'm sorry i've seen very little of him overtaking for a win......as in.....never.......am I wrong? Please, tell me if i'm wrong...... 

    Now you pay attention  with front running cars, Hamilton is the only one who has overtaken, with a strategy him and McLaren devised to turn a 0.2 second slower car to a car 1.4 second on its faster lap. Plus if I am right, we have seen many cars been faster behind a slow car and stuck there, and had to wait for pits. And just the whole no tc, areodynamics and tyre issues drivers are fighting with when they go to overtake makes Hamiltons move phenominal.

    This is twaddle, he had no fuel in the car so had a much much much easier car to handle and greater acceleration etc.

    Out of all the surprises and disappointmenst one gets on their birthday, for me, Hamilton made mine it was the best present I can wish for, he has restored my buzz, my faith in F1 as a fast and an exciting sport and the antisipation for Monaco is driving me crazy....he may not win, but i do believe he will put on one hell of a show.... I am happy, I seriously think the guy has drawn out every good hormone and emotion one can natural flow in your body naturally! I cant explain it but try drinking 10 cans of red bull and 5 cups of coffee and maybe you might be there?

  •  05-14-2008, 11:35 AM 699280 in reply to 699251

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    I thuink this race once again highlighted one of Kimi's biggest strengths which is his ability to perform even when his car isn't 100%. The front wing damage would have given him a big balance problem but he was able to drive around it and still produce the fastest lap of the race. We have seen other drivers have the same problem and completly disappear yet Kimi was only about six seconds off Massa after his 2nd stop. Had he not been held up by Kubica and lost the 8-9 seconds that he did in the first stint then i think the race was his.

    As for the best race of the last decade, my vote would go to Suzuka 05. Not just because of Kimi's performance, but also that of Alonso's and Schumacher's. We also had a great midfield battle between Webber and Button.

  •  05-14-2008, 12:58 PM 699287 in reply to 699251

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    Ok McLaren have not won a WDC since 1999 - coming on for 10 years. Nothing unusual though is it? Before 2005 when did the Benetton / Renault team last win a WDC? Before 2000 when did Ferrari previously win their last WDC??

     I'd sugges there tend to trends as you move from decade to decade, and i'd also go so far as to says McLarens time is coming, and maybe they'll be the dominant team for the next 3 or 4 years. Maybe not, but maybe...

     Anyway my point is that you're trying to put them down for something all teams would appear to go through.

  •  05-14-2008, 1:50 PM 699308 in reply to 699280

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    motiman:

    I thuink this race once again highlighted one of Kimi's biggest strengths which is his ability to perform even when his car isn't 100%. The front wing damage would have given him a big balance problem but he was able to drive around it and still produce the fastest lap of the race. We have seen other drivers have the same problem and completly disappear yet Kimi was only about six seconds off Massa after his 2nd stop. Had he not been held up by Kubica and lost the 8-9 seconds that he did in the first stint then i think the race was his.

    As for the best race of the last decade, my vote would go to Suzuka 05. Not just because of Kimi's performance, but also that of Alonso's and Schumacher's. We also had a great midfield battle between Webber and Button.

    There was nothing wrong with his wing in Oz... he is prone to mistakes under pressure, and his whole weekend was dominated by mistakes, starting in qualifying...

    The fact he wrecked Heikki's race was just tragic...

  •  05-14-2008, 2:58 PM 699339 in reply to 699308

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    no t.c.:
    RaggedEdge:
    motiman:

    I thuink this race once again highlighted one of Kimi's biggest strengths which is his ability to perform even when his car isn't 100%. The front wing damage would have given him a big balance problem but he was able to drive around it and still produce the fastest lap of the race. We have seen other drivers have the same problem and completly disappear yet Kimi was only about six seconds off Massa after his 2nd stop. Had he not been held up by Kubica and lost the 8-9 seconds that he did in the first stint then i think the race was his.

    As for the best race of the last decade, my vote would go to Suzuka 05. Not just because of Kimi's performance, but also that of Alonso's and Schumacher's. We also had a great midfield battle between Webber and Button.

    There was nothing wrong with his wing in Oz... he is prone to mistakes under pressure, and his whole weekend was dominated by mistakes, starting in qualifying...

    The fact he wrecked Heikki's race was just tragic...

    Think before Typing. You're embarrassing yourself. 

    Wing problem again for Kimi is it, its either Kimi is good at excuses or Kimi needs to learn how to look after the body work of his car abit more...I cant remember anyone crashing into Kimi in oz, he must have shook it out of postion as he was atemping to overtake Heikki lolol

  •  05-14-2008, 3:06 PM 699343 in reply to 699308

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    no t.c.:
    RaggedEdge:
    motiman:

    I thuink this race once again highlighted one of Kimi's biggest strengths which is his ability to perform even when his car isn't 100%. The front wing damage would have given him a big balance problem but he was able to drive around it and still produce the fastest lap of the race. We have seen other drivers have the same problem and completly disappear yet Kimi was only about six seconds off Massa after his 2nd stop. Had he not been held up by Kubica and lost the 8-9 seconds that he did in the first stint then i think the race was his.

    As for the best race of the last decade, my vote would go to Suzuka 05. Not just because of Kimi's performance, but also that of Alonso's and Schumacher's. We also had a great midfield battle between Webber and Button.

    There was nothing wrong with his wing in Oz... he is prone to mistakes under pressure, and his whole weekend was dominated by mistakes, starting in qualifying...

    The fact he wrecked Heikki's race was just tragic...

    Think before Typing. You're embarrassing yourself. 

    Same answer...

  •  05-14-2008, 3:58 PM 699364 in reply to 699164

    Re: Kimi's lackluster performance...what happened?

    Think I'll ignore Ragged Edge's drivel this time and simply say that I'm happy about finding out about the wing as I had put it down to Kimi being unmotivated after the poor start.  In the circumstances I'm quite happy with his third place.  Given Ferrari's weakness over the past several years at Monaco though It was unfortunate that he had to drop points on a 'Ferrari track'.
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