stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

stigga:

nicekim:

and poor analogy from Ragged:
What if those 19 others could also bench press over 800 lbs, but they choose not to do that because there is too high risk for barbell fail? Have you considered the option that other ones are saving tyres because driving like a mad man the whole time usually isn't the fastest way around the track? Do you think that others wouldn't adapt their drivingstyle if tyres would be changed?

You are demanding super hard tyres from Bridgestone..so that one could just push and push. This would first of all kill speed. Then this would ruin FIA's attempt to create more overtakings by decreaseng aerodynamic grip and increasing mechanical grip.

It would also mean that you wouldn't need that much brains in F1. It would be the first time in F1 history when they would have tyre that would last everything and fist time when drivers wouldn't have to look after tyres.
 

 

 

Exactly..that's a fair analogy. RE's is always assuming only LH is the only driver capable of driving fast. The only difference between LH and the other 19 drivers is that they know how to drive within the limit of their tyres. I am sure most of them (if not all of them) can also drive as quick as LH (or maybe even faster) if they would really want to compromise their tyre wear. But they showed they are more sensible rather than showing that they are cool and can driver very very fast.

F1 is more similar to a marathon rather than a sprint. I can imagine LH as a sprinter participating in a marathon and only relying on his speed to win the race which obviously is not the only element you need to win the race.

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

r macaw:

stigga:

thefastone:

 Seriously guys, get a grip. Other 19 drivers, rookies or not, had the skill to preserve their tyres until the end of the race.

 

Regardless of how well Hamilton did (and he did do well) the fact you've stated above is one of those indisputable facts that those with blinkered vision will never agree with.

Preserving your tyres is a skill that's absolutely neccessary to winning races (and wdc's) and until it's learnt a driver who destroys his tyres will be at a disadvantage to the other 19 who are perefectly capable of recognising that tyres have a finite life.

 Missing the point again.

 

It was not a question of destoying his tyres wearing them out, it was a three lap stratedgy set by the tyre manufacturer, for reasons yet to be determined they felt the load the driver was able to impose on them without losing traction and going off the circuit was too high for the tyre design.

 I agree a fundamental skill in racing is being able to preserve the tyres and recognise that the tyres are going off and when to change them. Recognising the finite life or better yet recognising the deteriating grip levels and driving the tyres so the grip performance drop off coincides with scheduled pit stops, is an even better skill.

But so is being able to find and drive to the limits, and that Lewis was the only driver capable to find not only the limit of grip in turn 8 but to drive beyond the capabilities of the other drivers that the limit he reached was not grip but a design failure of the tyres capabilities. 

The point you miss is IF his tyres had been so worn out the grip was spent, then there would have been no reason to issue the warning at all, as the performance as worn out tyres would not have allowed Lewis to drive at a speed to impose that load levels that were of concern. He would have been off the circuit by driving beyond the tyre grip limits.

The point you miss is IF it was simply a question of a driver wearing his tyres out quicker than the other drivers, what on earth was the tyre manufacturer doing making a team or driver call on stint lengths. Do they suggest the team should run a little less downforce and drive faster on the straights to compensate ? If it was a driver, car or set up issue they had no business making any comment let alone a warning.

The point you miss is that the tyres possible duration limit was something that NO driver could detect. It was a concern for catastrophic structural failure, not a loss of performance. Any driver will drive to his own comforts limits of his percieved grip levels for every turn. The good drivers can find that grip, the brave test the tyres a little more and the brilliant find it and test it.

Unfortunately in this contect the Lewis bashers have a conundrum choice.

They either have to admit that Lewis was the only driver capable of finding those ultimate limits. or agree that the tyres were not up to the job they should have been designed for.

Whats next, we design rear wings that are so light weight the carbon structure will fail if expose the 200MPH wings speeds for longer than 30 laps  but will give a performace gain greater that the extra time taken to change the wing in a pit stop ?

What made it exciting ? I ask are these real racing fans ? Exciting is watching a driver who has been told that his tyres could catastrophically fail at any moment if he drives at the speed he does, have to drive at a greater speed to make up for the extra 20 secs parked required to change a tyre on lap 19 that will fail on lap 20.

Lewis sat on a bigger pair of bravery than anyone in that race. IMHO

Of course having an extra set of tyres and less fuel for each stint makes the drive look more exciting compared to heavier cars with less tyres. I hope that answers that question.

The point you are missing is that a 2 stop strategy is more efficient in Turkey. Sometimes a driver can make it work and still win, but obviously it did not work out for Hamilton. The main reasons are that he only qualified 3rd, and he really needed to be on pole for the 3 stop strategy to work and not being hold up by a heavier fuelled car. He was lucky to get ahead of Kovalainen at the start, but was not able to overtake Massa before his first stop, that effectively lost him the victory.

The problem was less wearing the tyres out (except for the option tyres, which would not even last a full flying lap on Hamilton's car), but destroying them by driving on the side wall through turn 8. That is a design problem of the McLaren car, not a design problem of the tyre. Driving on the side wall of the tyre has nothing to do with finding the limit of grip, it's a question of car setup/design and the chosen racing line. Kovalainen changed his setup, tyre pressure and racing line, and was able to qualify with option tyre and race with the optimum 2 stop strategy.

So what Hamilton found was not the limit of the tyre, it was the limit of his driving style in combination with the design of the car.

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

justrace:

r macaw:

stigga:

thefastone:

 Seriously guys, get a grip. Other 19 drivers, rookies or not, had the skill to preserve their tyres until the end of the race.

 

Regardless of how well Hamilton did (and he did do well) the fact you've stated above is one of those indisputable facts that those with blinkered vision will never agree with.

Preserving your tyres is a skill that's absolutely neccessary to winning races (and wdc's) and until it's learnt a driver who destroys his tyres will be at a disadvantage to the other 19 who are perefectly capable of recognising that tyres have a finite life.

 Missing the point again.

 

It was not a question of destoying his tyres wearing them out, it was a three lap stratedgy set by the tyre manufacturer, for reasons yet to be determined they felt the load the driver was able to impose on them without losing traction and going off the circuit was too high for the tyre design.

 I agree a fundamental skill in racing is being able to preserve the tyres and recognise that the tyres are going off and when to change them. Recognising the finite life or better yet recognising the deteriating grip levels and driving the tyres so the grip performance drop off coincides with scheduled pit stops, is an even better skill.

But so is being able to find and drive to the limits, and that Lewis was the only driver capable to find not only the limit of grip in turn 8 but to drive beyond the capabilities of the other drivers that the limit he reached was not grip but a design failure of the tyres capabilities. 

The point you miss is IF his tyres had been so worn out the grip was spent, then there would have been no reason to issue the warning at all, as the performance as worn out tyres would not have allowed Lewis to drive at a speed to impose that load levels that were of concern. He would have been off the circuit by driving beyond the tyre grip limits.

The point you miss is IF it was simply a question of a driver wearing his tyres out quicker than the other drivers, what on earth was the tyre manufacturer doing making a team or driver call on stint lengths. Do they suggest the team should run a little less downforce and drive faster on the straights to compensate ? If it was a driver, car or set up issue they had no business making any comment let alone a warning.

The point you miss is that the tyres possible duration limit was something that NO driver could detect. It was a concern for catastrophic structural failure, not a loss of performance. Any driver will drive to his own comforts limits of his percieved grip levels for every turn. The good drivers can find that grip, the brave test the tyres a little more and the brilliant find it and test it.

Unfortunately in this contect the Lewis bashers have a conundrum choice.

They either have to admit that Lewis was the only driver capable of finding those ultimate limits. or agree that the tyres were not up to the job they should have been designed for.

Whats next, we design rear wings that are so light weight the carbon structure will fail if expose the 200MPH wings speeds for longer than 30 laps  but will give a performace gain greater that the extra time taken to change the wing in a pit stop ?

What made it exciting ? I ask are these real racing fans ? Exciting is watching a driver who has been told that his tyres could catastrophically fail at any moment if he drives at the speed he does, have to drive at a greater speed to make up for the extra 20 secs parked required to change a tyre on lap 19 that will fail on lap 20.

Lewis sat on a bigger pair of bravery than anyone in that race. IMHO

Of course having an extra set of tyres and less fuel for each stint makes the drive look more exciting compared to heavier cars with less tyres. I hope that answers that question.

The point you are missing is that a 2 stop strategy is more efficient in Turkey. Sometimes a driver can make it work and still win, but obviously it did not work out for Hamilton. The main reasons are that he only qualified 3rd, and he really needed to be on pole for the 3 stop strategy to work and not being hold up by a heavier fuelled car. He was lucky to get ahead of Kovalainen at the start, but was not able to overtake Massa before his first stop, that effectively lost him the victory.

The problem was less wearing the tyres out (except for the option tyres, which would not even last a full flying lap on Hamilton's car), but destroying them by driving on the side wall through turn 8. That is a design problem of the McLaren car, not a design problem of the tyre. Driving on the side wall of the tyre has nothing to do with finding the limit of grip, it's a question of car setup/design and the chosen racing line. Kovalainen changed his setup, tyre pressure and racing line, and was able to qualify with option tyre and race with the optimum 2 stop strategy.

So what Hamilton found was not the limit of the tyre, it was the limit of his driving style in combination with the design of the car.

In your personal pie in the sky opinion, that has also missed out the point of the ferrari being 0.5 seconds quicker than the ferrari.

As for driving style, look at Kimis, he messed up in qualfiying and in the race...from start to finish!

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

I dont know, ask Senna's own sister when she said she can see Senna in Hamiltons driving style to him face to face personally? You can also ask Schumacher who has spoken about Hamilton many times as well! You can also look up his statistics for such comparisions to be made also.

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

Oh how I wish this forum would allow me to say what I'm thinking! 

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

I dont know, ask Senna's own sister when she said she can see Senna in Hamiltons driving style to him face to face personally? You can also ask Schumacher who has spoken about Hamilton many times as well! You can also look up his statistics for such comparisions to be made also.

that may be so, but that doesn't mean a thing unless you are a wdc which he is not, and by such comparisons should be by now if he is so amazing.

amyyy89:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

I dont know, ask Senna's own sister when she said she can see Senna in Hamiltons driving style to him face to face personally? You can also ask Schumacher who has spoken about Hamilton many times as well! You can also look up his statistics for such comparisions to be made also.

that may be so, but that doesn't mean a thing unless you are a wdc which he is not, and by such comparisons should be by now if he is so amazing.

I can't blame you for wanting to believe that Hamilton couldn't score the 1 extra point he needed in any of the last three races by mere chance, where the odds of him losing were the same as Elvis coming back as the son of Osama Bin Laden...

amyyy89:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

I dont know, ask Senna's own sister when she said she can see Senna in Hamiltons driving style to him face to face personally? You can also ask Schumacher who has spoken about Hamilton many times as well! You can also look up his statistics for such comparisions to be made also.

that may be so, but that doesn't mean a thing unless you are a wdc which he is not, and by such comparisons should be by now if he is so amazing.

Well you are always going to get comparisions, but even if Hamilton won 4 WDC's in his career, people like you would still refuse to make comparisions....poo happens!

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

That's true - some people still think Kimi an Alonso are worthy of comparison to MS... brings a tear to my eye.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

I dont know, ask Senna's own sister when she said she can see Senna in Hamiltons driving style to him face to face personally? You can also ask Schumacher who has spoken about Hamilton many times as well! You can also look up his statistics for such comparisions to be made also.

that may be so, but that doesn't mean a thing unless you are a wdc which he is not, and by such comparisons should be by now if he is so amazing.

Well you are always going to get comparisions, but even if Hamilton won 4 WDC's in his career, people like you would still refuse to make comparisions....poo happens!

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

That's true - some people still think Kimi an Alonso are worthy of comparison to MS... brings a tear to my eye.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

I dont know, ask Senna's own sister when she said she can see Senna in Hamiltons driving style to him face to face personally? You can also ask Schumacher who has spoken about Hamilton many times as well! You can also look up his statistics for such comparisions to be made also.

that may be so, but that doesn't mean a thing unless you are a wdc which he is not, and by such comparisons should be by now if he is so amazing.

Well you are always going to get comparisions, but even if Hamilton won 4 WDC's in his career, people like you would still refuse to make comparisions....poo happens!

yes comparisons when titles have been won fair enough, but at the minute hamilton has none, therefore it would be stupid to compare him to MS, there's no guarantee he'll actually win a title. 

anametoremember:

the crow:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

Hamilton is a fast driver, no doubt. But the fastest drivers aren't always the best drivers.

 An F1 driver needs to learn to manage his car and tyres to get him to the finish and not have to rely in his team coming up with unusual strategies to get him through it.

I think Hamilton is protected somewhat by the regulations in so ar as the cars need to come in for fuel so he can be on a different fueling strategy and take some off the pressure off by changing his tyres in the stops.

However if the FIA decide to ditch refueling in favor of regulations like we had in the late 80's where the drivers fueled for the whole race and only pitted for tyres when they really needed to Hamilton will find it much harder going.

I reckon Heikki could have beaten Lewis last race if he'd not suffered a puncture and he would have done it on one less set of tyres, which would ahve made Lewis's strategy look a bit pants really. As it was lewis benefitted from his team mates problem and came out looking the better driver.

For the Hamilton fans:
I'm not saying Hamilton is a bad driver. I'm just saying that he needs to manage his tyres better. If the championship goes down to the wire again and he throws it away by not managing his car and tyres better, then I rekon even Rons faith in him would be shaken.

He needs to start racing from his head, not his heart. Because otherwise he may not find 2009 to be very enjoyable.
 

As a fan of motor racing, I am not one who believes in drivers looking after your tyres apart from mind that piece of debri over there, that is the most. I am a fan of burning up rubber and going for it. If I want to watch someone look after their tyres AGAIN I would book an appointment to watch a learner driver take their practical test. I want to see style, uniqueness, passion, full throttle, and a driver pushing beyond a cars limit.

I am not for hanging behind a car for pit stops overtaking, I want to see a driver do something I cant do, and I feel not many people can driver like Hamilton in F1 as it is now, we have seen Hamilton look after his tyres in Oz and Sapin and it was *** BORING!!!

Watching F1 and no one in the top 6 overtakes on the tracks, means there is no point in watching the sport, we might aswell watch the qualifying and that is it! because if Hamilton went by your school of thought (look after tyres dont drive to fast) Turkeys qualifying would have been as good as it got, thank goodness Hamilton decided to burn some rubber, and lay down some grip on the tracks!

That goes to show how little you know about motorsports.

I have raced on a track or two in real life, I can tell you that the first fundamental rule of motorsports is "To finish 1st, first you have to finish".

The tyres may only be 4 rings of rubber stuck to the wheels, but a lot of people don't realise that they are the MOST important part of the car. Doesn't matter how fast your F1 car is or how much revs or torque the engine gives out, if you've got no tyres you're not going anywhere.

Why are the tyres the most important part of a race car? Well that's because they are your only contact with the roads surface. Tyres are needed to provide grip and grip is what any racing car is all about. Without grip you can't brake, accelerate or corner.

Tyres in most forms of motor racing aren't designed to do the entire races. Even in MotoGP the riders have to manage the tyres for them to get to the end of the race and we've seen many races lost when the rider in front has charged off setting fast lap after fast lap, only to get to 4 laps left and the rest of the pack comes bearing down on him because he's shot his tyres to shreds and no longer has the grip to keep the speed he had at the start of the race.

It feels great to be out in front pushing and pushing, setting fast lap after fast lap and leaving the pack behind. And you keep doing this and thinking "Wow this is great!". But tyres on racing cars don't give up their grip gradually, there is always a very sudden drop in performance. One lap you could be going through the old hairpin a Donnington Park flat out, but on the next lap you might notice you're going wide and have to correct or lift off slightly (it's not like a case of "oops I'm going wide!" it's more of an instinctive thing). Then if you keep pushing the tyres will give up even less grip and you'll lose some forward momentum because you're fighting with the car and this adds time to your laps. Before you know it the 20 second lead you had over the pack is now down to 10 seconds and your tyres are shot meaning you're losing more time and need to pit. But if you pit there is no guarantee that you won't get stuck behind a slower car and then be unable to make your way back to the front and if you're on a 3 stop strategy, that's your race blown.

Yeah but, you are not Lewi Hamilton or Schumacher are you, I just know what type of racing that gets me juices flowing!

As Lewis Hamilton is no Schumacher, the latter being a great racing driver.

What has that got to do with the price of fish? People are coming here with their 'pie in the sky', how to look after your tyres mambo, but they are not doing Hamiltons job and COULDNT do hamiltons job EITHER. I am not watching you lot who sit there and WHINGE I am watching Hamilton and that is all that matter quite FRANKLY....anything else is useless!

Quite correct, it hasn't. However as I have mentioned before, personally I find that I would like to distance myself from any connection with any comments that some people post on this forum but find that as a person who regards Schumacher's talents very highly I feel that I may be protrayed to be in agreement with such comments by association.

More importantly, I wish people would stop tingry to compare the talents of Schumacher with Lewis as there aren't any with regard to all aspects of F1.

The very fact that Hamilton is in a F1 car would say that he is amongst the most capable drivers in the world, but can you explain to me how most posters on this forum seem to express the same opinion on Lewis's ability to look after his tyres and only a few are so blind to the obvious that they do not want to see the facts?

Regards

The Crow