RaggedEdge:

Well you are always going to get comparisions, but even if Hamilton won 4 WDC's in his career, people like you would still refuse to make comparisions....poo happens!

If Hamilton won 4WDC's I'd be happy to call him one of the greats and count him up there with Prost, Senna,  Schumacher and co...

pjvenkman:

RaggedEdge:

Well you are always going to get comparisions, but even if Hamilton won 4 WDC's in his career, people like you would still refuse to make comparisions....poo happens!

If Hamilton won 4WDC's I'd be happy to call him one of the greats and count him up there with Prost, Senna,  Schumacher and co...

Me too

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

RaggedEdge:

anametoremember:

pjvenkman:

stigga:

pjvenkman:

I think now would be a good time for Martin Brundle to do a good feature on f1 tyres to educate some of the hamilton fans that clearly have no idea about the sport.

 

Some people still wouldn't see the wood for the trees, doubtless even the illustrious Mr Brundle would be seen as being part of some great conspiracy.

That's true - some people still think Kimi an Alonso are worthy of comparison to MS... brings a tear to my eye.

Aye you're probably right.

Doesn't matter if you've driven racing cars or you've been around motorsports for over 20 years. Your knowledge is still going to be secondary to some fly by night fan who probably doesn't know the front of an F1 car from the rear.

Brundle enjoys the way Lewis drivers 1

Many people have been BOG standard racers for many years, still couldnt do what Hamilton is doing!

And the sport has never had an abundance of MSs and Sennas, they come once in a blue moon...

Luckly the blue moon is back in the form of Hamilton...

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

I dont know, ask Senna's own sister when she said she can see Senna in Hamiltons driving style to him face to face personally? You can also ask Schumacher who has spoken about Hamilton many times as well! You can also look up his statistics for such comparisions to be made also.

that may be so, but that doesn't mean a thing unless you are a wdc which he is not, and by such comparisons should be by now if he is so amazing.

Well you are always going to get comparisions, but even if Hamilton won 4 WDC's in his career, people like you would still refuse to make comparisions....poo happens!

yes comparisons when titles have been won fair enough, but at the minute hamilton has none, therefore it would be stupid to compare him to MS, there's no guarantee he'll actually win a title. 

Well, where we are in Hamiltons career, I am more interested in the way he drives. If we are here 4 years time, waiting on Hamiltons 1st WDC....then we would valid criticism!

amyyy89:

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

 

Absolutely nothing Hamilton has achieved warrants him being compared to the greats of the sport, and I believe it will be quite a few years (if ever) before he can be realistically compared to Senna, Prost etc, regardless of what Senna's sister said, amazing though how someone can "see" talent in anothers eyes.

Way to many people have fallen for the hype, but that's all been discussed before, at least with the Beeb next year we'll get less of that rubbish.

If you think about it, Hamiltons achievements are more realistically comparable to Jaques Villenueve, except of course, JV has actually won a title. As you say, he's 7 points behind in the WDC, not an insurmountable amount, but people seem to forget that despite a decent drive in Turkey, he still slipped from 2nd in the WDC to 3rd, because he wasn't good enough to prevent another driver taking more points.

Hamilton should have won the wdc last season, his impetuous and immature skills led to him losing a huge points lead, that must surely weigh heavily on his mind, as no doubt will Alonso winning Monaco last season, and that will expose his flaws even more than his tyres will, skillful he may well be, Senna or Prost, he surely isn't, not by a long chalk. He's won one race this season, has still yet to win other than from pole and people compare him to the greats, they must be turning in their graves.

stigga:

amyyy89:

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

 

Absolutely nothing Hamilton has achieved warrants him being compared to the greats of the sport, and I believe it will be quite a few years (if ever) before he can be realistically compared to Senna, Prost etc, regardless of what Senna's sister said, amazing though how someone can "see" talent in anothers eyes.

Way to many people have fallen for the hype, but that's all been discussed before, at least with the Beeb next year we'll get less of that rubbish.

If you think about it, Hamiltons achievements are more realistically comparable to Jaques Villenueve, except of course, JV has actually won a title. As you say, he's 7 points behind in the WDC, not an insurmountable amount, but people seem to forget that despite a decent drive in Turkey, he still slipped from 2nd in the WDC to 3rd, because he wasn't good enough to prevent another driver taking more points.

Hamilton should have won the wdc last season, his impetuous and immature skills led to him losing a huge points lead, that must surely weigh heavily on his mind, as no doubt will Alonso winning Monaco last season, and that will expose his flaws even more than his tyres will, skillful he may well be, Senna or Prost, he surely isn't, not by a long chalk. He's won one race this season, has still yet to win other than from pole and people compare him to the greats, they must be turning in their graves.

at last! someone with sense and a grip on reality! well said!  

amyyy89:

stigga:

amyyy89:

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

 

Absolutely nothing Hamilton has achieved warrants him being compared to the greats of the sport, and I believe it will be quite a few years (if ever) before he can be realistically compared to Senna, Prost etc, regardless of what Senna's sister said, amazing though how someone can "see" talent in anothers eyes.

Way to many people have fallen for the hype, but that's all been discussed before, at least with the Beeb next year we'll get less of that rubbish.

If you think about it, Hamiltons achievements are more realistically comparable to Jaques Villenueve, except of course, JV has actually won a title. As you say, he's 7 points behind in the WDC, not an insurmountable amount, but people seem to forget that despite a decent drive in Turkey, he still slipped from 2nd in the WDC to 3rd, because he wasn't good enough to prevent another driver taking more points.

Hamilton should have won the wdc last season, his impetuous and immature skills led to him losing a huge points lead, that must surely weigh heavily on his mind, as no doubt will Alonso winning Monaco last season, and that will expose his flaws even more than his tyres will, skillful he may well be, Senna or Prost, he surely isn't, not by a long chalk. He's won one race this season, has still yet to win other than from pole and people compare him to the greats, they must be turning in their graves.

at last! someone with sense and a grip on reality! well said!  

You lot clearly lack something...maybe the point, he is soley being compared by driving style and pushing the limits! not trophies for the glory hunters!

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

stigga:

amyyy89:

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

 

Absolutely nothing Hamilton has achieved warrants him being compared to the greats of the sport, and I believe it will be quite a few years (if ever) before he can be realistically compared to Senna, Prost etc, regardless of what Senna's sister said, amazing though how someone can "see" talent in anothers eyes.

Way to many people have fallen for the hype, but that's all been discussed before, at least with the Beeb next year we'll get less of that rubbish.

If you think about it, Hamiltons achievements are more realistically comparable to Jaques Villenueve, except of course, JV has actually won a title. As you say, he's 7 points behind in the WDC, not an insurmountable amount, but people seem to forget that despite a decent drive in Turkey, he still slipped from 2nd in the WDC to 3rd, because he wasn't good enough to prevent another driver taking more points.

Hamilton should have won the wdc last season, his impetuous and immature skills led to him losing a huge points lead, that must surely weigh heavily on his mind, as no doubt will Alonso winning Monaco last season, and that will expose his flaws even more than his tyres will, skillful he may well be, Senna or Prost, he surely isn't, not by a long chalk. He's won one race this season, has still yet to win other than from pole and people compare him to the greats, they must be turning in their graves.

at last! someone with sense and a grip on reality! well said!  

You lot clearly lack something...maybe the point, he is soley being compared by driving style and pushing the limits! not trophies for the glory hunters!

all this talk of hamilton "pushing the limits" , its rubbish, he does not push the limits more so than any other drivers, and even if he does push the limits, its clearly doing no good.. its all just excuses and fan talk.
 

amyyy89:

anametoremember:

amyyy89:

stigga:

amyyy89:

how on earth can you compare hamilton to those legends? he has been in for 1 season and a bit.. won a few races WOW! i'd expect that if you were driving for one of the best teams! its a bit early to be making comparisons.. i mean if he was so amazing.. like ms he would have won the wdc last year.. couldn't do that despite leading most of the year, and again, if he is so amazing should be leading this year, but he's not. he's behind by 7 points. && he's won 1 race. lewis hamilton is the most overexaggerated driver ever. ok he's very talented, but not as talented as everyone makes out.

 

 

Absolutely nothing Hamilton has achieved warrants him being compared to the greats of the sport, and I believe it will be quite a few years (if ever) before he can be realistically compared to Senna, Prost etc, regardless of what Senna's sister said, amazing though how someone can "see" talent in anothers eyes.

Way to many people have fallen for the hype, but that's all been discussed before, at least with the Beeb next year we'll get less of that rubbish.

If you think about it, Hamiltons achievements are more realistically comparable to Jaques Villenueve, except of course, JV has actually won a title. As you say, he's 7 points behind in the WDC, not an insurmountable amount, but people seem to forget that despite a decent drive in Turkey, he still slipped from 2nd in the WDC to 3rd, because he wasn't good enough to prevent another driver taking more points.

Hamilton should have won the wdc last season, his impetuous and immature skills led to him losing a huge points lead, that must surely weigh heavily on his mind, as no doubt will Alonso winning Monaco last season, and that will expose his flaws even more than his tyres will, skillful he may well be, Senna or Prost, he surely isn't, not by a long chalk. He's won one race this season, has still yet to win other than from pole and people compare him to the greats, they must be turning in their graves.

at last! someone with sense and a grip on reality! well said!  

You lot clearly lack something...maybe the point, he is soley being compared by driving style and pushing the limits! not trophies for the glory hunters!

all this talk of hamilton "pushing the limits" , its rubbish, he does not push the limits more so than any other drivers, and even if he does push the limits, its clearly doing no good.. its all just excuses and fan talk.
 

Do you know what thread you actually posted this on? Hamiltons tyre wear comes from the fact that he likes to get on the edge, wiggly it about and push his limits.....as he did in turkey! He is one of the few drivers on the grid that pushes....the season has only just got started and hamiltons risk traits are only now coming out! hold on it is going to get good!

anametoremember:

Do you know what thread you actually posted this on? Hamiltons tyre wear comes from the fact that he likes to get on the edge, wiggly it about and push his limits.....as he did in turkey! He is one of the few drivers on the grid that pushes....the season has only just got started and hamiltons risk traits are only now coming out! hold on it is going to get good!

That's all fine, metaphorically speaking. But he took it literally with the tyre, but that's not how the tyre is meant to be used. Push your limits, find grip, but don't drive your tyre on the side wall.

What's next? Surfing on the front wing in rain? 

justrace:

anametoremember:

Do you know what thread you actually posted this on? Hamiltons tyre wear comes from the fact that he likes to get on the edge, wiggly it about and push his limits.....as he did in turkey! He is one of the few drivers on the grid that pushes....the season has only just got started and hamiltons risk traits are only now coming out! hold on it is going to get good!

That's all fine, metaphorically speaking. But he took it literally with the tyre, but that's not how the tyre is meant to be used. Push your limits, find grip, but don't drive your tyre on the side wall.

What's next? Surfing on the front wing in rain? 

Surfing on the front wing... Just imagine the scenario, Spa 2008, lots of rain, Hamilton mid pack, while driving at 200mph on the main straight, suddenly cimbs out of his seat and ballances on the nose of the car while going through standing water... then he leaves himself not enough room to get back into the car at the end of the straight and stuffs it in the wall...

It'd be impressive, but it's definatey not the way to control an F1 car....

but I wonder how many people would say "he was pushing the limit!" 

This 'PUSHING THE LIMITS' thing is just absolutely rubbish...It's just an excuse when something goes wrong. Maybe we can also say Kubica was just 'PUSHING THE LIMITS' in Canada last year. :)

yes, he pushed it so much so, in turkey that he managed to finish 0.5 seconds ahead of kimi, pure pushing the limits. Look, i'll admit lewis is a good driver, but he does not push the limits any more so than any other drivers, and if he does its at his own expense, his tyres. if he was pushing the limits that much, and his driving style was so good, surely he'd be winning more races?

amyyy89:

yes, he pushed it so much so, in turkey that he managed to finish 0.5 seconds ahead of kimi, pure pushing the limits. Look, i'll admit lewis is a good driver, but he does not push the limits any more so than any other drivers, and if he does its at his own expense, his tyres. if he was pushing the limits that much, and his driving style was so good, surely he'd be winning more races?

That was on the softs, which his car didnt suit!

Besides if Kimi matched the superior car he was given, he should have been 0.5 seconds behind or infront of Massa!

amyyy89:

yes, he pushed it so much so, in turkey that he managed to finish 0.5 seconds ahead of kimi, pure pushing the limits. Look, i'll admit lewis is a good driver, but he does not push the limits any more so than any other drivers, and if he does its at his own expense, his tyres. if he was pushing the limits that much, and his driving style was so good, surely he'd be winning more races?

 

Exactly. So please, I hope this is the end of this thread. RE, I think you need to think of another silly conspiracy theory though I believe this forum can be more sensible without your unfounded conspiracy theories because it seems to me you are just here to seek some attention.

I cant wait to see when LH ends his race because he run out of fuel.

Lewis: 'I feel sorry for the team that I failed to finish the race because I run out of fuel. I was pushing the limits of my fuel tank'. :)

If you are happy with mediocre driving, then you have a lot to celebrate with Kimi's performances...

For the fastest car on the grid to be driven as badly as Kimi drove it is my definition of, "pushing the limit"...