justrace:

RaggedEdge:

LH was the moral winner of the 2007 WDC already... Kimi only got it gifted in the end through a series of 100% avoidable problems from McLaren and FIA politics.

LH car control is still there, and I expect to see it soon enough...

Kimi and Massa haves made far worse mistakes then Hamilton's to date, so there is a lot of possibility for LH to get back into the groove...

You better hope that Hamilton gets back to his pre China form soon, otherwise the mistakes in the last 5 races are not a promising outlook. I don't think that anybody can serioulsy say that Raikkonen's and Massa's mistakes in the last 5 races were worse. Most of what you call mistakes by the Ferrari drivers were technical problems. I can only see on technical problem with Hamilton's gearbox in Brazil,

You can bet that pressing the right key combination before a race is a lot easier to learn for Hamilton, then for Kimi, who has to learn to judge braking distances, and ensure he keeps the car off the grass... And on top of that, Kimi has a fundamental problem with his pace in relation to MS's old side kick... that is a far steeper hill to climb.

Hamilton is now the hunter, this will produce an interest point for me.

kensaundm31:

That's just lame. There's nothing valid to respond to.

responding to ferrari_aus2k

RaggedEdge:

You can bet that pressing the right key combination before a race is a lot easier to learn for Hamilton, then for Kimi, who has to learn to judge braking distances, and ensure he keeps the car off the grass... And on top of that, Kimi has a fundamental problem with his pace in relation to MS's old side kick... that is a far steeper hill to climb.

Hamilton is now the hunter, this will produce an interest point for me.

Making a mistake does not mean that the drivers do not know how to do it right. They just got it wrong on the occasion. But it is more worrying to get simple things wrong (pressing a button), than the more complex ones (misjudging a braking zone).

It's the same in everday life. If I ruin my soup because I got one ingredient wrong, bad enough and I will pay more attention next time, but if I try to eat the soup with a knife, then I would be more worried.

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

You can bet that pressing the right key combination before a race is a lot easier to learn for Hamilton, then for Kimi, who has to learn to judge braking distances, and ensure he keeps the car off the grass... And on top of that, Kimi has a fundamental problem with his pace in relation to MS's old side kick... that is a far steeper hill to climb.

Hamilton is now the hunter, this will produce an interest point for me.

Making a mistake does not mean that the drivers do not know how to do it right. They just got it wrong on the occasion. But it is more worrying to get simple things wrong (pressing a button), than the more complex ones (misjudging a braking zone).

It's the same in everday life. If I ruin my soup because I got one ingredient wrong, bad enough and I will pay more attention next time, but if I try to eat the soup with a knife, then I would be more worried.

I think spillng the whole soup on the floor, as in Kimi's case, after misjudging eye to hand coordination is substantially more worrying then learning to eat with the right spoon.

RaggedEdge:

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

You can bet that pressing the right key combination before a race is a lot easier to learn for Hamilton, then for Kimi, who has to learn to judge braking distances, and ensure he keeps the car off the grass... And on top of that, Kimi has a fundamental problem with his pace in relation to MS's old side kick... that is a far steeper hill to climb.

Hamilton is now the hunter, this will produce an interest point for me.

Making a mistake does not mean that the drivers do not know how to do it right. They just got it wrong on the occasion. But it is more worrying to get simple things wrong (pressing a button), than the more complex ones (misjudging a braking zone).

It's the same in everday life. If I ruin my soup because I got one ingredient wrong, bad enough and I will pay more attention next time, but if I try to eat the soup with a knife, then I would be more worried.

I think spillng the whole soup on the floor, as in Kimi's case, after misjudging eye to hand coordination is substantially more worrying then learning to eat with the right spoon.

No. Sticking with your phrases, Raikkone lacked perhaps hand eye coordination, while Hamilton lost his brain to hand connection. The first one needs tweaking, the later major building work.

RaggedEdge:

justrace:

RaggedEdge:

LH was the moral winner of the 2007 WDC already... Kimi only got it gifted in the end through a series of 100% avoidable problems from McLaren and FIA politics.

LH car control is still there, and I expect to see it soon enough...

Kimi and Massa haves made far worse mistakes then Hamilton's to date, so there is a lot of possibility for LH to get back into the groove...

You better hope that Hamilton gets back to his pre China form soon, otherwise the mistakes in the last 5 races are not a promising outlook. I don't think that anybody can serioulsy say that Raikkonen's and Massa's mistakes in the last 5 races were worse. Most of what you call mistakes by the Ferrari drivers were technical problems. I can only see on technical problem with Hamilton's gearbox in Brazil,

You can bet that pressing the right key combination before a race is a lot easier to learn for Hamilton, then for Kimi, who has to learn to judge braking distances, and ensure he keeps the car off the grass... And on top of that, Kimi has a fundamental problem with his pace in relation to MS's old side kick... that is a far steeper hill to climb.

Hamilton is now the hunter, this will produce an interest point for me.

Whatever you may say about Kimi at least he has never dropped back about seven places from the start of a race for no apparent reason like LH did (no doubt you will try to come up with some ridiculous excuse for this like you normally do), Hamilton then not content with that he taps Alonso on the first lap and and then ends up on the back of him a few laps later perhaps he thought he was on the dodgems. Once again it is a case of Hamilton going to pieces when he is not on the front row of the grid he just cant take the pressure. Kimi made such a good start which he usually does your must have been green with envy, your remarks about braking distances is hilarious in the circumstances perhaps you had better  give LH the benefit of your great knowledge it would seem he needs it badly at least when Kimi made his 'terrible' mistake in Oz he had the ability to miss everyone else

justrace:

Making a mistake does not mean that the drivers do not know how to do it right. They just got it wrong on the occasion. But it is more worrying to get simple things wrong (pressing a button), than the more complex ones (misjudging a braking zone).

It's the same in everday life. If I ruin my soup because I got one ingredient wrong, bad enough and I will pay more attention next time, but if I try to eat the soup with a knife, then I would be more worried.

 

Spot on, making "a" mistake is something that happens to everyone, making many many in the course of one race weekend isn't "a" mistake, it's more like "a" catastrophe, His crash on Friday was spectacular in that he wasn't attempting a pass, wasn't trying to qualify etc, and so was absolutely needless, and a sign of someone struggling to control the car when not under duress.

His miserable failure at the start of the race just compounded things, and messing up such a simple operation is a sure sign of frustration, It's a good job Heikki was on the button so to speak, his reactions were extremely good not to collect Hamilton parked in front of him.

As for braking distances, well Hamilton ran into the back of a moving Alonso, not once, but twice!!!! hardly the best judge of when to brake or not then i'd say, you would have thought he might have learned how to judge braking from hitting him the first time, apparently not though. 

I like the soup analogy, it made me laff, at least we can sure of one thing, if Kimi were doing the soup he'd know how to a) Get the can opener started, and b) be skilful enough not to bash the can opener into the back of the soup ladle. twice 

I have just made a bowl of soup and tried to eat it with a knife, dosn't work, the bowl keeps spinning across the table and smashing into the back of another bowl. I will leave it for Mclaren to work that one out.

Check the bowl's telemetry and examine it's structural integrity.
A hairline fracture may have caused a "Sudden burst of acceleration" across your kitchen.

That's a disaster in a modern kitchen, when a bowl is minding it's own business and get's clattered by an inexperienced wayward bowl, did you practice with said bowl on Friday ? did it show tendencies to oversteer ? perhaps you pressed the wrong button on the microwave, and simply "overcooked" it, it's all to easy to do sadly.

Seems like RE is struggling to defend his mighty hero....

Well, on this occasion I will help RE:

Friday crash - finding the limit of the car... okay, fair enough...

Poor start - still finding the limit but instead found the speed limiter button (5mph)...

Race crash with Alonso - still finding the limit on how much acceleration he needs to be able to launch himself into the air (at Alonso expense)...

 

For two drivers on the same team to have a problem with the speed limiter button in successive races suggests there is a design problem. (is it not 60 mph 5 seems a little on the low side)

awshucks:

For two drivers on the same team to have a problem with the speed limiter button in successive races suggests there is a design problem. (is it not 60 mph 5 seems a little on the low side)

It certainly suggests a fundamental error, surely it wouldn't be to much of a task to alter the configuration or add some kind of over ride, I'd always given Hamilton the benefit of the doubt over the "gearbox" problem last season, this at least casts some shadow of doubt on whether he was himself responsible, and after Martin Whitmarsh claiming that Hamiltons wing broke "about 2 seconds before his imapct with Alonso" when the evidence clearly shows this not to be the case, well one can hardly help but wonder at the lengths the team will go to in order to cover up Hamiltons errors.

jbinuk:

Seems like RE is struggling to defend his mighty hero....

Well, on this occasion I will help RE:

Friday crash - finding the limit of the car... okay, fair enough...

Poor start - still finding the limit but instead found the speed limiter button (5mph)...

Race crash with Alonso - still finding the limit on how much acceleration he needs to be able to launch himself into the air (at Alonso expense)...

 

I never defended Hamilton once actually - I said it was a poor performance from day one...

However, that does not mean Kimi's Oz performance was even worse to the point that he was struggling with the basics of driving on the track and not on the grass...

I can understand how being swamped by the wrong engine settings caused him to lose places and how his damaged front wing may have caused a slight misjudgement in the start, which is famous for mistakes from all...

However Kimi's mistakes were all under normal race conditions, when he should be making far better judgement calls...

jbinuk:

Seems like RE is struggling to defend his mighty hero....

Well, on this occasion I will help RE:

Friday crash - finding the limit of the car... okay, fair enough...

Poor start - still finding the limit but instead found the speed limiter button (5mph)...

Race crash with Alonso - still finding the limit on how much acceleration he needs to be able to launch himself into the air (at Alonso expense)...

 

I never defended Hamilton once actually - I said it was a poor performance from day one...

However, that does not mean Kimi's Oz performance was even worse to the point that he was struggling with the basics of driving on the track and not on the grass...

I can understand how being swamped by the wrong engine settings caused him to lose places and how his damaged front wing may have caused a slight misjudgement in the start, which is famous for mistakes from all...

However Kimi's mistakes were all under normal race conditions, when he should be making far better judgement calls...