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Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

Last post 09-11-2008, 2:03 PM by dead man. 142 replies.
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  •  09-07-2008, 5:39 PM 745922 in reply to 745820

    Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

    This is a farce. 

    Valencia, Massa could have killed a camera man and written off the safety car.  No punishment.

    In virtually every race this season DC has crashed into another car whilst misjudging an overtake. No punishment.  HK does it today, drive through.

    LH did cut the chicane, but he did yield the place and was under KR's gearbox, so KR was completely in front of him.  KR rams him in the next corner, no punishment.

    What will the stewards do next year with the aero rules cahnging to facilitate overtaking.  Boy will that confuse them.  I won't know though, because I've watched my last F! Grand Prix.

    They should paint all the cars red, it might be fairer.

  •  09-07-2008, 5:39 PM 745923 in reply to 745820

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    looks like another example of ferrari spitting their dummy out to get their own way. kimi forced hamilton off the track. absolutely ludicrous decision.
  •  09-07-2008, 5:40 PM 745925 in reply to 745820

    Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

    harsh but fair in my book.

    Lewis cut the chicane, gained sporting advantage, passed Raikkonen almost by default into La Source as he was carrying so much more speed up the pit straight, Raikkonen attempting to retake the lead after losing it to the dubious move damaged his front wing, then spun off the road whilst travelling in a straight line after Blanchimont, almost certainly helped along by an aero imbalance the collision with Lewis (who had passed unfairly, in my opinion at least) caused.  

     Put simply, if Lewis hadn't cut the chicane, Raikkonen would much less likely have spun off.

  •  09-07-2008, 5:40 PM 745930 in reply to 745820

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    Im sorry but this penatly that has been given is redicilous, hamilton gave the place back to Kimi and still had the skill to pass him, why the penalty has been given is beyond belife as hamilton had passed kimi well and deserved 2 gain the win. I just hope that Mclaren return to this incident and make a complaint as hamilton deservs this win.

  •  09-07-2008, 5:41 PM 745932 in reply to 745820

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    This is absolutely outragous!!!

    Hamilton cut the chicane to avaoid a collision and then CLEARLY let Kimi passed again. Kimi then weaved all over the track which is in itself breaking the rules!

    I'm am furious about this penalty, anyone that now says the FIA aren't biased towards Ferrari and against Mclaren are kidding themselves.

    We all complain there isn't enough action and overtaking in Formula 1, then when we get some the drivers are penalised, no wonder they don't want to overtake each other.

    I'm done with F1 now, I've watched it religiosly for more than 20 years, but I'm no longer prepared to waste my Sunday afternoons watching the Championship get handed to Ferrari. A fantastic and exciting end to the race just thrown away for nothing.

    Well done FIA, Formula One is now officially a farce!

  •  09-07-2008, 5:41 PM 745938 in reply to 745820

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    OMG.....I can't believe they've done that!!!Surprise

    Can Mclaren appeal?

  •  09-07-2008, 5:44 PM 745948 in reply to 745820

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    What a disgrace!

     

    Suppose we should expect this sort of bias from the FIA in favour of Ferrari!

  •  09-07-2008, 5:45 PM 745959 in reply to 745820

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    what a crock, jeez talk about ferrari favouritism. theres no way hamilton could go anywhere else but over the tramac, kimi forced him into it, anyway he gave the place back so whats the problem .. causing an avoidable accident? there wasnt an accident, Kimi endangered hamilton not the other way round.

     F1 just continues to shoot itself in the foot, its already got a credibilty problem after mosely and spy scandals and NOW we arnt allowed to watch two cars race anymore without risk of being penalised.

     what a complete joke.

  •  09-07-2008, 5:46 PM 745960 in reply to 745820

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    once again ferari get a stewards inquiry in their favour !!! why is everyone in f1 scared to go against them ??? are they afraid of upsetting them or wot ??

    i just do not believe it

  •  09-07-2008, 5:53 PM 746011 in reply to 745820

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    I just dont believe this if as an avid F1 supporter i wasnt already starting to think its a fix what with the way Mclaren were delt with last season with "Spy Gate" i just think this is stupid Lewis tried the move failed gave the advantage back to Kimi whats the problem? If it had been the other way round you can bet your life Ferrari would get away with it, Mclaren cant do anything with out getting penalties for this or that. Ive watched F1 for over 25years and i can honestly say im at about the limit with the politics in this so called sport.

    Sport thats a joke if your cars red you will be ok just send your car out of the pits into the path of another car and get a polite telling off if its Silver,black and red and you do somthing a little out of line ( however remember Lewis gave the place back) lets through the book at them.Im this close to wishing Lewis luck but giving up my support for F1 all together Bernie should worry more about the way the rules are laid down to the teams (" fairly" thats a joke) rather than what new track they can sign up, because i for one have had it up to here with F1 and its a sport i love!!!!

  •  09-07-2008, 5:55 PM 746031 in reply to 745820

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    It does seen that even when Mclaren go out of their way to be scrupulous, the stewards look for a way to stick the knife in, had it been a Ferrari this wouldn't have happened. Does anyone think there could be a conspiracy or are they all just joining a anti Mclaren anti Hamilton bandwagon.

  •  09-07-2008, 5:56 PM 746038 in reply to 745820

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    I can't believe this judgement!

    I just can't help but think what would have happened if it had been Raikkonen cutting the chicane. I watched the GP2 race on saturday and a car was released from the pits right into the line of another car and he was penalised accordingly. So why didn't receive Massa receive the same penalty in Valencia?

    I am F1 through-and-through but I always get the feeling that when a Ferrari is involved in an incident that requires third party council, there's this sense that 'oh well if we penalise them its going to cause loads of trouble and they'll kick up a fuss saying they're starting a new series with other manufacturers elsewhere' - so they get a light touch - a fine of some sort, which to punters like me and you means squat.

    Despite obvious inconsistencies by the continually imcompetent stewards, I'm glad Massa won in Valencia because it was a brilliant race by him, and today Hamilton deserved that victory - he gave back the place that he did take illegally, but then retook the position, ducking and diving under Raikkonen - who by the way seemed to move more that once...

    It is a truly shocking decision that to my mind only confirms that a higher power is at work in Formula 1. So what if the title goes close because of this ruling - I want the best guy to win on the day, we're not after a false and manipulated championship battle. 

    Today, Lewis Hamilton took the victory. That is all. 

  •  09-07-2008, 5:57 PM 746046 in reply to 745820

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    I cannot believe the blatant favouritism towards the Ferrari team. I watched the race and I beleive Lewis made no mistakes. The incident did not prevent Massa from winning, did not have any effect on Kimi crashing out of the race. Why isn' Kimi being penalised for shunting Lewis on the bend.

    It seems to me, as last year ,the only way Ferrrari can win is to put down Mclaren. That in my mind makes them cheats. How much do they pay under the table to these people to ensure they win at all costs. Surely there is something that can be done to investigate why there is the bias against Mclaren.

  •  09-07-2008, 6:12 PM 746184 in reply to 745885

    Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

    lewishamiltonmclaren:

    Did he gain an advantage by doing so and on which lap was this? If it was at the end, he then gave back the lead before retaking it.

    I thought it was ok to cut the chicane unless you gained a place and if you did you have to give it back or then get a punishment?

     

    Did you not watch the race then ?

  •  09-07-2008, 6:12 PM 746188 in reply to 745820

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    I see another joke in F1....mind you lewis drives the wrong colour car,it doesnt matter what ferrari do they can always get away with everything,lewis does something,something that he hadnt got a choice in,so lets demote him,what a joke this sport is becoming.
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