If Raikonnen hadn't crashed out he should have been up for investigation and penalty for his weaving in the run up to the first corner. Any advantage Hamilton had gained was completely negated at the point where he had allowed the Ferrari back completely ahead of him. From that point on he was fully entitled to continue to race aggressively, which he did.

 

This is a black day for F1 and a complete farce.

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I have watched Formula 1 for as long as I have watched television, which at 39 years old is quite a long time now, and I am now becoming so disheartened with the way that decisions are being taken in private without any accountability that I am finding it difficult to enthuse about the sport anymore.

 

The drivers give their all on the racetrack and risk life and limb to demonstrate their skill and endurance for our enjoyment.

 

I do not watch the race and then wait with baited breath to see what the stewards will make of the race and what the ‘real’ outcome will be.  I didn’t after the last race and was not surprised to see that Massa had been fined for his very dangerous release for his pit box.  I didn’t after today’s race as I genuinely did not believe that anyone would want to detract from what turned out to be an extremely exciting finale to an otherwise processional race.

 

The evidence is unfortunately circumstantial but becoming overwhelming that there is one rule for Maclaren and another rule for everyone else, and it is circumstantial because the decisions are taken in private and without any accountability.

 

For example, ‘The Stewards’, who are they?  Why aren’t we told who they are?  And why don’t they carry out their investigations in public with the arguments from the teams and drivers televised, it might get better viewing figures than some of the races.

 

Unfortunately Lewis if you want an F1 World Championship title you might have to switch to FIArrari.  Mind you then all you will have to do is finish 2^nd or 3^rd taking it easy and anyone in front will be penalised for racing you . . .

get in the real world man Kimi forced Lewis of at the bus stop,Lewis regained the track ahead of kimi and then slowed to allow Kimi to regain the lead,as ruels state and has been done by many drivers in the past with no penalty,Kimi must have had more speed than Lewis or he would not have been able to overtake him, he then made a clean pass on Kimi who once again as in monaco got his braking wrong and he hit the back of Lewis,later he nearly collided with three other cars again driving Lewis off the track, finally losing control and hiting the wall, sorry mate the wrong driver got penalised,but thats part of the course if the red car`s are loosing,this is one to many for me i`m with Martin brundle feed up with these stewards.i sharnt waste four hours in front of the box again to be cond,

mal.

Absolute rubbish, Lewis backed off to let Raikkonen past on the pit straight so how could he have had more momentum than him? He was going slower than him!

Lewis outbraked him at the next corner in spite of, not because of the cut chicane. 

peasantburner:

... he was carrying so much more speed up the pit straight ...

The telemetry submitted showed that he was 6kph slower than Kimi over the line - unless I'm suffering delusions slower means less speed, not more speed!!

The only reason Lewis overtook Kimi into La Source is because Kimi - like at the Bus Stop - braked  early because he was so much trouble with grip, as he went on to demonstrate in such a dramatic fashion.

 

Never posted on here before But I Had to at this news.

Scottja has got it right when he says not a red car. Kimmi pushed Lewis off and what about Kimi's blocking further down the road how many times did he swerve across the road? I'm sure shumi got away with a lot worse in his day. You have to ask yourself if the "red car" team have someone on the inside of F1 Have the loaned someone money or something!?

Lets start a proper F1 series.

I watched the last five laps thinking this was going to be some great F1 tv as SPA allways does. Watching Kimi push Lewis out on to the verge and then on to the run off I thought great Lewis avoided a crash he then let Kimi back to lead again and then made his move to pass once he had passed Lewis rounded a corner to find an F1 car across the track Lewis slowed Kimi slowed and had Passed Lewis before spinning off. So were is the justification. What about last race Masa had a near serious miss in the pitlane and was only fined?????. It does all point to some very unjust decissions from the so called officials. Who is paying there wages???.

This whole decision is a farce!  While I'm a Hamilton fan, I still like both Kimi and Massa as drivers and guess at the end of the day I’m a fan of racing more than anything.  But this decision has really angered and confused me.

Lewis spins going into La Source on lap 2, his mistake.  Kimi has to take avoiding action to prevent a crash and in doing so runs wide, going off the track and onto the tarmac.  Because he took a wider line he didn't have to slow down as much and so keeps more speed through the turn.  He then powers up behind Lewis, in his slipstream through Eau Rouge and overtakes on the straight.  All of this was, in my view, completely fair and can be put down to racing incidents; Lewis deserved to be overtaken (In fact a small part of me was glad after his silly comments about never being overtaken on the outside!).

In the debated incident, Lewis was in front going into the bus stop, Kimi turned in (not unfairly I don't think) so Lewis had to get out of the way to avoid a crash.  He skipped the chicane, came back on and lifted to let Kimi through going across the line.  Now unless Kimi lifted as well (Why would he, and even if he did that isn't Lewis' fault?) it's impossible for Lewis to be going faster!!  Kimi tried to go defensive by weaving but got it wrong under braking letting Lewis into the hairpin first.  Kimi put on the power too soon giving Lewis a little nudge but you can forgive that as he was most likely jumpy after being overtaken.

If this wasn’t a fair time to overtake when was?  After Eau Rouge?  The FIA would probably argue that Lewis was able to get too close into La Source by skipping the chicane and thus into Kimi’s slipstream through Eau Rouge and dock him 25 seconds!!!

Trying to be as unbiased as possible I can see nothing wrong with any of the moves during the race, both from Kimi or Lewis and can all be put down to good old fashioned racing, just what we want to see.

Kimi and Massa will of course (quite rightly) give no comment due to Ferrari's policy but I'm willing to bet if you asked them privately about it they would agree with the overall feeling that this penalty is way, way too harsh for an incident in which no rules were broken!

This really does leave me thinking do I even want to watch this sport anymore if such a great race can be spoiled so quickly and so completely.

 

Let me start by saying that I too am a big LH fan and I would like to see him win, but I also appreciate the other teams and drivers when they perform well like Kimi did. I thought he deserved to win until the rain came and he proved he couldn't handle the car in those conditions. This is, I believe, a big factor which was overlooked by the stewards - that LH overtook KR after the chicane because he was better able to manage his car in the low grip conditions, not because he had an advantage in momentum.

As I saw it, the sequence of events went like this ...

1. Aproaching the chicane KR brakes early because he was mindful of losing control in the turn. LH sees this and outbrakes him pulling alongside o the outside just nosing ahead as they begin to turn.

2. KR takes the turn wide, either because he can't control the car in the wet or because he is trying to block LH from overtaking!

3. To avoid collision, LH was forced to cut the corner of the chicane.

4. On regaining the track on the start/finish straight ahead of KR, LH gave back the position to KR. Note that according to the FIA website KR had a +6kph speed advantage over LH as they crossed the start/finish line! Charlie Whiting was asked by McLaren if that was the right course of action - the answer was YES.

5. LH dropped back completely behind KR before attempting to pass KR again and was successful. LH did not have speed nor momentum advantage before this maneouvre, he was quite simply better at getting the power down through the wheels than KR who was tiptoeing along trying to keep it on the track. LH obviously had more residual temperature in his tyres than the Ferrari who we know from past races struggle to get grip in colder temperature situations like this.

6. LH paseed KR fairly and on the next lap KR ran very wide on a corner and took an unfair advantage from the grip on the dirty off-track area to come back at LH without success.

7. After that, KR totally lost it and parked his car in the wall. LH goes on to win a well deserved victory. End of story.

So, quite simply, LH had a big advantage in his ability in the wet as well as the dry and by having a car that seems better able to keep the tyres warm. He didn't gain advantage by leaving the track which he was forced to do by KR anyway!

thought i was the only one that noticed that, nevertheless it was the wrong dicision to take the win from Hamilton, the arrogant little so&so, This was a poor judgement on behalf of the FIA, i can understand where they (FIA) are coming from with their decision, but in the best interest of the sport they should have let it go. Im not a Hamilton fan, very much a Kimi fan, and Mclaren have every right to feel been got at here. There is no rule to suggest how long you have to stay behind another car after you have given back your place after gaining advantage like Hamilton did, but maybe now this will force a change in the rules to clarify this, furthermore the idea of F1 cars racing at 50mph in the wet on slick tyres is a complete joke, its not allowed in MotoGP or American IndyCar racing and F1 is the pinnacle of the sport. maybe the FIA should consentrate more on making decisions like this, either stop the race or declare a wet race and everyone must change to wet tyres and then everyone can get back to real racing, And that Idiot James Allen again ranting on about Hamilton's spin on the sceond lap cost him the lead, well on my television Kimi past Hamilton around the outside at over 200mph at the top of Les Combes and that my friend Mr Allen is how Hamilton lost the lead.

I am not a Hamilton fan, far too arrogant. (Although it is good to have a Brit in the top flight )

However the FIA decision is totaly unjust & ridiculous. Do these people understand racing at all?

They have destroyed what (for once) was a crackin GP.

I have been disappointed with F1 for some months now what with all the politics and lawyers involved (Not to mention the Max s3x gate!). It seems to me it's not about racing anymore but who has the biggest budget and best legal team IMO.
If I want to see a precession I will go to a carnival!

Nail in the coffin for me....................Switching off!

Gonna stick to attending local circuits from now on, where there is......dare I say it...... RACING!

(OH and BTCC on ITV 4 )

heath robinson:

I cannot believe this - it's beyond comprehension. What a totally and completely utterly ridiculous decision.

I'm staggered! Dumbfounded - Numb!!!

 

How on earth do they think they're going to justify this decision against others they've doled out recently. I'm sorry but even as a mature and even handed individual I have to say that I'm coming to the conclusion that the only consistancy is that of total bias.

And you know the worst of it?................. I feel completely helpless! I feel so unimportant to the powers that be, and that my opinion is of such inconsequence that can do as they please whilst I look on - and they know damn well I've got to just suck it up!!

 

I really want to swear I'll never have a thing to do with F1 again - but then they've won haven't they! And just so we know who they are? How about you post their pic's on the front page - and their home phone numbers and e-mail addresses while you're at it. I would certainly like to fully express my feelings to them right about now.

This blatent manipulation of outcome via the rulebook has been going on for several years now and has just reached it's lowest ebb - it even feels like they felt it wasn't even necessary for them to be particularly covert of subtle about it........even the sheer arrogance offends me! 

 

"I'm sorry but even as a mature and even handed individual"

"And just so we know who they are? How about you post their pic's on the front page - and their home phone numbers"

 

Very mature indeed.

I commend you my freind.

 

The data shows that Lewis was travelling 6km per hour slower than Raikonen over the start finish line so that line of argument simply doesn't hold water.  The whole thing's a farce.

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peasantburner:

harsh but fair in my book.

Lewis cut the chicane, gained sporting advantage, passed Raikkonen almost by default into La Source as he was carrying so much more speed up the pit straight, Raikkonen attempting to retake the lead after losing it to the dubious move damaged his front wing, then spun off the road whilst travelling in a straight line after Blanchimont, almost certainly helped along by an aero imbalance the collision with Lewis (who had passed unfairly, in my opinion at least) caused.  

 Put simply, if Lewis hadn't cut the chicane, Raikkonen would much less likely have spun off.

 

Correct my freind and I am able to admit that the penalty was fair even as a McLaren fan.

Lewis got himself all hotheaded again, just as he did when Felipe had overtaken him, he's an exceptionally talented driver but why oh why does he constantly allow himself to be consumed with the red mist when a driver has passed him.

He should perhaps learn the finer points of aggression control, it may serve him well.

In the meantime he should not expect to get away with his misdemeanours as he was allowed last year in his rookie season.

I dearly want McLaren to win this season but I want them to win in a fair manner.