i read in the past that richard branson had some connections in a company which had developed high performance bio fuel and he wanted to convince the fia in adding bio fuel to f1 fuel and i wonder why should they add bio fuel to f1 fuel? if bio fuel has better performance why don't they use bio fuel, or does the combined fuel have better performance?

Can't tell tou whether bio fuel, mixed or otherwise, would improve performance, but switching to a greener fuel in F1 is akin to the man who tucks in to a three course meal, 2500 calories, then demands non-sugar sweetener for his coffee!

nostalgic_scot:

Can't tell tou whether bio fuel, mixed or otherwise, would improve performance, but switching to a greener fuel in F1 is akin to the man who tucks in to a three course meal, 2500 calories, then demands non-sugar sweetener for his coffee!

There is a lot that needs to be implemented before I agree to man using biofuel oil for pleasure. Factually, we would actually be stealing food from 3rd world countries just to see a sport take place....Sorry but I "ain't" down for that little number at all. While there are straving people in the world, and most are technically straving because we here in the western world consume, waste, want and burn so much for rock bottom pound and dollar, biof(ood)uel for pleasure is taking it a step beyond morally right. 

nostalgic_scot:

Can't tell tou whether bio fuel, mixed or otherwise, would improve performance, but switching to a greener fuel in F1 is akin to the man who tucks in to a three course meal, 2500 calories, then demands non-sugar sweetener for his coffee!

 

thats funny but they've got to be a reason unless it 's just for profit.  

F1 fuel is already 5% bio fuel, there was/is a plan to increase that over the next few years to as much as 30% but not sure what will happen since the FIA/FOTA slam down.

F1 will do what they are told to do by the petrol companies (who provide them with free performance enhancing fuel and sponsorship dosh) and whilst its in their interest to develop bio fuels they earn their billions from oil products so will only do as much as they need to do to give them ' green ' credentials. Bio fuels do boost performance compared to ordinary pump petrol but F1 cars dont run on unleaded do they? (i'm not sure about that i can remember a move by the fia a while ago to try and get teams to use less exotic fuels and use pump petrol only)

i'm sure someone on here must know more about this than I do but if F1 wants to lead rather than follow they should be going for a 50/50 mix over the next 3 years .. that would set a good example wouldn't it?

nostalgic_scot:

Can't tell tou whether bio fuel, mixed or otherwise, would improve performance, but switching to a greener fuel in F1 is akin to the man who tucks in to a three course meal, 2500 calories, then demands non-sugar sweetener for his coffee!

Exactly, that is a very good analogy.   Bio fuel will never work long term.  It is not efficient in terms of land use.  Also, land which has been given over to bio fuel is not available for growing food.  In future years food production will be more important.

Theyre not considering it.

Its been done. They currently run on 5% bio fuel.

Wonder how many pages you will get for this thread.

Mr.Woody:

Theyre not considering it.

Its been done. They currently run on 5% bio fuel.

Wonder how many pages you will get for this thread.

but why do they add bio fuel then? does it increase performance? what does bio fuel do? 

anametoremember:

nostalgic_scot:

Can't tell tou whether bio fuel, mixedor otherwise, would improve performance, but switching to a greenerfuel i n F1 is akin to the man who tucks in to a three course meal, 2500calories, then demands non-sugar sweetener for his coffee!

Thereis a lot that needs to be implemented before I agree to man usingbiofuel oil for pleasure. Factually, we would actually be stealing foodfrom 3rd world countries just to see a sport take place....Sorry but I"ain't" down for that little number at all. While there are stravingpeople in the world, and most are technically straving because we herein the western world consume, waste, want and burn so much for rockbottom pound and dollar, biof(ood)uel for pleasure is taking it a stepbeyond morally right. 

i don't think bio fuel has anything to do with the third world and food because i have seen huge fields up and down the country, as i drive on motor ways, of yellow flowers of rape being grown to make oil. secondly there is plenty of land in the developed world which is not used for anything so that can be used to grow bio fuel if needs be.

twinkle_toes22:

F1 fuel is already 5% bio fuel, there was/is a plan to increase that over the next few years to as much as 30% but not sure what will happen since the FIA/FOTA slam down.

F1 will do what they are told to do by the petrol companies (who provide them with free performance enhancing fuel and sponsorship dosh) and whilst its in their interest to develop bio fuels they earn their billions from oil products so will only do as much as they need to do to give them ' green ' credentials. Bio fuels do boost performance compared to ordinary pump petrol but F1 cars dont run on unleaded do they? (i'm not sure about that i can remember a move by the fia a while ago to try and get teams to use less exotic fuels and use pump petrol only)

i'm sure someone on here must know more about this than I do but if F1 wants to lead rather than follow they should be going for a 50/50 mix over the next 3 years .. that would set a good example wouldn't it?

 

but the bio fuel isn't much greener than fossil fuel. 

aveli666:

twinkle_toes22:

F1 fuel is already 5% bio fuel, there was/is a plan to increase that over the next few years to as much as 30% but not sure what will happen since the FIA/FOTA slam down.

F1 will do what they are told to do by the petrol companies (who provide them with free performance enhancing fuel and sponsorship dosh) and whilst its in their interest to develop bio fuels they earn their billions from oil products so will only do as much as they need to do to give them ' green ' credentials. Bio fuels do boost performance compared to ordinary pump petrol but F1 cars dont run on unleaded do they? (i'm not sure about that i can remember a move by the fia a while ago to try and get teams to use less exotic fuels and use pump petrol only)

i'm sure someone on here must know more about this than I do but if F1 wants to lead rather than follow they should be going for a 50/50 mix over the next 3 years .. that would set a good example wouldn't it?

 

but the bio fuel isn't much greener than fossil fuel. 

Strange but true.  All agricultural crops in this country rely very heavily on fossil fuel for their production.  (Just think of heavy machinery and agro chemicals.)

pedekay:

aveli666:

twinkle_toes22:

F1 fuel is already 5% bio fuel, there was/is a plan to increase that over the next few years to as much as 30% but not sure what will happen since the FIA/FOTA slam down.

F1 will do what they are told to do by the petrol companies (who provide them with free performance enhancing fuel and sponsorship dosh) and whilst its in their interest to develop bio fuels they earn their billions from oil products so will only do as much as they need to do to give them ' green ' credentials. Bio fuels do boost performance compared to ordinary pump petrol but F1 cars dont run on unleaded do they? (i'm not sure about that i can remember a move by the fia a while ago to try and get teams to use less exotic fuels and use pump petrol only)

i'm sure someone on here must know more about this than I do but if F1 wants to lead rather than follow they should be going for a 50/50 mix over the next 3 years .. that would set a good example wouldn't it?

 

but the bio fuel isn't much greener than fossil fuel. 

Strange but true.  All agricultural crops in this country rely very heavily on fossil fuel for their production.  (Just think of heavy machinery and agro chemicals.)

very true so what is the point in producing biofuel, except for the chance to con others with the sole purpose of making profit?

to make bio fuel, fossil fuel is burnt adding carbon dioxide to the air and then when the bio fuel is burnt, mor carbon dioxide is added to the air.

what is green about that? 

aveli666:

pedekay:

aveli666:

twinkle_toes22:

F1 fuel is already 5% bio fuel, there was/is a plan to increase that over the next few years to as much as 30% but not sure what will happen since the FIA/FOTA slam down.

F1 will do what they are told to do by the petrol companies (who provide them with free performance enhancing fuel and sponsorship dosh) and whilst its in their interest to develop bio fuels they earn their billions from oil products so will only do as much as they need to do to give them ' green ' credentials. Bio fuels do boost performance compared to ordinary pump petrol but F1 cars dont run on unleaded do they? (i'm not sure about that i can remember a move by the fia a while ago to try and get teams to use less exotic fuels and use pump petrol only)

i'm sure someone on here must know more about this than I do but if F1 wants to lead rather than follow they should be going for a 50/50 mix over the next 3 years .. that would set a good example wouldn't it?

but the bio fuel isn't much greener than fossil fuel. 

Strange but true.  All agricultural crops in this country rely very heavily on fossil fuel for their production.  (Just think of heavy machinery and agro chemicals.)

very true so what is the point in producing biofuel, except for the chance to con others with the sole purpose of making profit?

to make bio fuel, fossil fuel is burnt adding carbon dioxide to the air and then when the bio fuel is burnt, mor carbon dioxide is added to the air.

what is green about that? 

I think that the whole bio fuel thing is an attempt to look good while avoiding the real issue  -  what do we do when the fossil fuel is no longer available?  Our whole present lifestyle on this planet is built on having freely available oil and gas.

It can't go on forever and the changes will be huge.  Petroleum products are used in the manufacture of so many aspects of daily life, quite apart from fuel for cars.  I won't be alive to see it, but my grandchildren and their children will have a different life from this one.

So growing and promoting bio fuel is just tinkering around on the edges and not looking at what is beyond.  Sorry about the rant, over now.

pedekay:

aveli666:

pedekay:

aveli666:

twinkle_toes22:

F1 fuel is already 5% bio fuel, there was/is a plan to increase that over the next few years to as much as 30% but not sure what will happen since the FIA/FOTA slam down.

F1 will do what they are told to do by the petrol companies (who provide them with free performance enhancing fuel and sponsorship dosh) and whilst its in their interest to develop bio fuels they earn their billions from oil products so will only do as much as they need to do to give them ' green ' credentials. Bio fuels do boost performance compared to ordinary pump petrol but F1 cars dont run on unleaded do they? (i'm not sure about that i can remember a move by the fia a while ago to try and get teams to use less exotic fuels and use pump petrol only)

i'm sure someone on here must know more about this than I do but if F1 wants to lead rather than follow they should be going for a 50/50 mix over the next 3 years .. that would set a good example wouldn't it?

but the bio fuel isn't much greener than fossil fuel. 

Strange but true.  All agricultural crops in this country rely very heavily on fossil fuel for their production.  (Just think of heavy machinery and agro chemicals.)

very true so what is the point in producing biofuel, except for the chance to con others with the sole purpose of making profit?

to make bio fuel, fossil fuel is burnt adding carbon dioxide to the air and then when the bio fuel is burnt, mor carbon dioxide is added to the air.

what is green about that? 

I think that the whole bio fuel thing is an attempt to look good while avoiding the real issue  -  what do we do when the fossil fuel is no longer available?  Our whole present lifestyle on this planet is built on having freely available oil and gas.

It can't go on forever and the changes will be huge.  Petroleum products are used in the manufacture of so many aspects of daily life, quite apart from fuel for cars.  I won't be alive to see it, but my grandchildren and their children will have a different life from this one.

So growing and promoting bio fuel is just tinkering around on the edges and not looking at what is beyond.  Sorry about the rant, over now.

 

very good point but i don't think fossil fuels formed over night, it took millions of years to form and we don't yet know where it all is. new oil fields are being discovered by the month because lots and lots of exploration is taking place right now.

human beings are not as significant in the world as some people think. the world is enormous and we make a tiny proportion of it so how can we exhaust it's resources? if you put all humans together standing shoulder to shoulder we will fill a surface one and a half times the total land surface of isle of white. now have a look at the size of the isle of white on google earth and compare it to the size of the world. isle of white is a tiny island between northern ireland and england by the way. we are just too small to contemplate consuming all the earth's resources, there are far more plants than there are all the animals including humans put together so how is it possible we alone can exhaust the resources?

some people even claim that the polar caps, melting will cause flooding all over the world. have a look at the size of the polar caps on google earth and compare them with the  size of the pacific and atlantic ocean. how thin would the caps spread if spread over the two oceans? it's a good idea to be more efficient but scaring people into thinking the resources are running out and global warming is caused by human activities which would result in exhaustion of the world's resources is wrong.

three quarters of the world's surface is covered in water, this means three quarters of the sun's energy is absorbed by evaporating water and dumped into the atmosphere when the vapour cools to form clouds. this is what causes global warming, not carbon dioxide. carbon dioxide is only 0.031% of the atmospheric gases and it is one of the densest so will accumulate on the surface of the earth not higher up in the atmosphere as some people claim.

aveli666:

pedekay:

aveli666:

pedekay:

aveli666:

twinkle_toes22:

F1 fuel is already 5% bio fuel, there was/is a plan to increase that over the next few years to as much as 30% but not sure what will happen since the FIA/FOTA slam down.

F1 will do what they are told to do by the petrol companies (who provide them with free performance enhancing fuel and sponsorship dosh) and whilst its in their interest to develop bio fuels they earn their billions from oil products so will only do as much as they need to do to give them ' green ' credentials. Bio fuels do boost performance compared to ordinary pump petrol but F1 cars dont run on unleaded do they? (i'm not sure about that i can remember a move by the fia a while ago to try and get teams to use less exotic fuels and use pump petrol only)

i'm sure someone on here must know more about this than I do but if F1 wants to lead rather than follow they should be going for a 50/50 mix over the next 3 years .. that would set a good example wouldn't it?

but the bio fuel isn't much greener than fossil fuel. 

Strange but true.  All agricultural crops in this country rely very heavily on fossil fuel for their production.  (Just think of heavy machinery and agro chemicals.)

very true so what is the point in producing biofuel, except for the chance to con others with the sole purpose of making profit?

to make bio fuel, fossil fuel is burnt adding carbon dioxide to the air and then when the bio fuel is burnt, mor carbon dioxide is added to the air.

what is green about that? 

I think that the whole bio fuel thing is an attempt to look good while avoiding the real issue  -  what do we do when the fossil fuel is no longer available?  Our whole present lifestyle on this planet is built on having freely available oil and gas.

It can't go on forever and the changes will be huge.  Petroleum products are used in the manufacture of so many aspects of daily life, quite apart from fuel for cars.  I won't be alive to see it, but my grandchildren and their children will have a different life from this one.

So growing and promoting bio fuel is just tinkering around on the edges and not looking at what is beyond.  Sorry about the rant, over now.

 

very good point but i don't think fossil fuels formed over night, it took millions of years to form and we don't yet know where it all is. new oil fields are being discovered by the month because lots and lots of exploration is taking place right now.

human beings are not as significant in the world as some people think. the world is enormous and we make a tiny proportion of it so how can we exhaust it's resources? if you put all humans together standing shoulder to shoulder we will fill a surface one and a half times the total land surface of isle of white. now have a look at the size of the isle of white on google earth and compare it to the size of the world. isle of white is a tiny island between northern ireland and england by the way. we are just too small to contemplate consuming all the earth's resources, there are far more plants than there are all the animals including humans put together so how is it possible we alone can exhaust the resources?

some people even claim that the polar caps, melting will cause flooding all over the world. have a look at the size of the polar caps on google earth and compare them with the  size of the pacific and atlantic ocean. how thin would the caps spread if spread over the two oceans? it's a good idea to be more efficient but scaring people into thinking the resources are running out and global warming is caused by human activities which would result in exhaustion of the world's resources is wrong.

three quarters of the world's surface is covered in water, this means three quarters of the sun's energy is absorbed by evaporating water and dumped into the atmosphere when the vapour cools to form clouds. this is what causes global warming, not carbon dioxide. carbon dioxide is only 0.031% of the atmospheric gases and it is one of the densest so will accumulate on the surface of the earth not higher up in the atmosphere as some people claim.

Sorry aveli, I don't want to get into the whole global warming issue, it's too big and emotive.  Re the fossil fuels, there is a sort of scale regarding discovery versus use of oil.  Prior to the 1970s we were finding new fields faster than we could use up the oil.  Now it's the other way, we are using it up faster than it's being discovered.