Whilst I am not in total agreement that the yobs who murdered her husband have no human rights, I felt myself almost jumping for joy to hear someone get airtime on UK television to say that they have had enough of the murdering yobs that rule the country. Helen Newlove should be commended for speaking with such honesty. For me the turning point in the UK came when the powers that be effectively gave the power to the children themselves. How society can give so much overbearing 'protection' to children is beyond me - yes there is a fine line between discipline and child abuse, but I was given the slipper at school and a mild beating by my mother who did a great job of teaching me a lesson. I didn't try to get away with it again! And I turned out just fine. (cue the lawsuit from some onlooker who wants to 'protect' children against my mother for child abuse.....) Fortunately for me my mother also dished out love and affection - a crucial part to my feeling secure in my upbringing. Perhaps therein lies part of the problem??

 Until children are once again disciplined and taught a lesson they will not learn. They are the most manipulative intelligent creatures who will push boundries (if they had any) to see what they can get away with. My blood boils at the thought of some yob turning to any adult, teacher or police officer and says - lay a finger on me and you'll be in court. And the ones who are to blame for all this? The policiticans!!! (who mostly probably live in a nice safe, yob free zone and have no real clue what's really going on on the streets of the UK).

This women should not be allowed to vent her anger and grief on air like this and how dare the media encourage her. What she is suggesting is the excuction of children .

they forfeited any rights when they killed gary.

terrie06:

This women should not be allowed to vent her anger and grief on air like this and how dare the media encourage her. What she is suggesting is the excuction of children .

cant blame her, who knows how we would feel in her situation.think i would feel as helen does.

what these 'children' did was in a way an execution of her husband and father to her family.

what these children need is disipline if thats what this government decide is the max punishment!!

we seem to be ally's to the USA,but in the end we are weak country when it comes to law & order 

If this country decides that we send criminals to jail(that's what these 'children' are)then they should be subjected to the full term in jail without privalages. that means no 'luxuries' i.e no tv ,no radio etc.That way these criminals would be less likely to re-offend. As i see it now some of these crim's have a better lifestyle in prison.

My final word is ' GOOD ON YOU HELEN ' you deserve all the help and support from your fellow law abiding citizens in your time of need.  

 

 

toyeboy:

what these 'children' did was in a way an execution of her husband and father to her family.

what these children need is disipline if thats what this government decide is the max punishment!!

we seem to be ally's to the USA,but in the end we are weak country when it comes to law & order 

If this country decides that we send criminals to jail(that's what these 'children' are)then they should be subjected to the full term in jail without privalages. that means no 'luxuries' i.e no tv ,no radio etc.That way these criminals would be less likely to re-offend. As i see it now some of these crim's have a better lifestyle in prison.

My final word is ' GOOD ON YOU HELEN ' you deserve all the help and support from your fellow law abiding citizens in your time of need.  

 

 

hear hear, too many do gooders who havent a clue how it feels, my first husband was killed by a drunk driver who got a fine.....should have gone to prison.. i salute helen .xx

Thank you.

all the people who claim'human rights' for offenders are guilable.

What human rights do those offended against get 'NONE'

I was burgled a few years ago,what did the Criminels get 'nothing',because they were 'children ' they got a telling off in court and were free to do it again no doubt.To claim that too harsh a punishment is against human rights is laughable. this country is P C crazy. If i did wrong as a child and was found out i expected to be punished. It was either the slipper at home or the cane at School. That is the root of many problems in the UK. The day they decided that you cannot physically punish a child was the day that they cultivated 'Yob culture'. The kids today are very street-wise and no their 'rights'.

 

 

 

i completely agree. 2 of those lads are under 18. by UN law. no child who commited a murder when they were under 18 can be executed. bring back execution and you might as well declare britain dead.

our relations with the EU are just as important as our relations with the USA. no member of the EU  is allowed to reinstate the death penalty. i cant belive this woman was allowed to plea for the execution of children this country needs serious help if they ever consider the death penalty period.

 earlier today it showed a video of gary and the 3 teens and watching it, it looked as if gary laid his hand on the middle teenager. now if he did then that means he took the law into his own hands and assulted one of those teens therefore giving them every right to self defence.

i have wondered about this because its pops up now and then on the BBC have your say. i am under the impression reading in to it that gary newlove approached those teens in an agressive manner which would cause an aggressive reaction.

 he should have phoned the police any normal person would of. i despise the death penalty purely because NO-ONE HAS THE RIGHT OVER ANYONES LIFE. not the government nor the criminals. prison is the most humane form of punishment. make the sentences tougher i agree. bring back death penalty and it'll be abused. plus theres never 100% gaurentee that everyone charged is actually guilty of the crime.

 so surely someone innocent could be murdered by death penalty. i belive ppl have been in the USA.

It does seem that something far more drastic is needed in terms of punishment / deterrent.   Clearly the existing control does is totally ineffectual.   How this can ever be turned around, I don't know.   As things stand, it can only get worse.  One wonders how many teenage murders and murderers it will take before the government stops holding enquiries and does something. 

Unless the media are covering it up, there should be public outcry by now.

I personally agree with Ms Newlove's sentiment. 

 

doctor dane:

It does seem that something far more drastic is needed in terms of punishment / deterrent.   Clearly the existing control does is totally ineffectual.   How this can ever be turned around, I don't know.   As things stand, it can only get worse.  One wonders how many teenage murders and murderers it will take before the government stops holding enquiries and does something. 

Unless the media are covering it up, there should be public outcry by now.

I personally agree with Ms Newlove's sentiment. 

 

 

i wonder how many are in jail for petty crimes. i would call for sentences not of a serious nature to be lifted then maybe there would be enough space for killers, paedophiles and terrorists. the government needs to be tougher when sentences them. for example longer sentences not capital punishment.

capital punishment is premeditated murder made justifiable by the government. no citizen has the right to commit murder of any kind so what makes it right for the government to do that. my heart goes out to her and her family honestly but calling for the death penalty is worse than calling for sharia law. mainly because most of these are CHILDREN. calling for it im surprised hasnt sparked a world wide outcry because simone wants to push the button on a childs death.

 please remember only the minority of teens are actually murderers. there are far more adults murdering people than there are children commiting murder. some adult by football holliganism, some by drink driving. nethertheless, this whole teen murderer thing has being inflated over and over by the press so it does seem crime is on the rise. when actually it may very way be dropping.

media frenzy can play with peoples minds. if you cant tell the difference between fact and media then you need more help than the teens im afraid.  

Let the punishment fit the Crime.   These three yobs will be out before the end of their sentance, they will be given new I.D.s and set up somewhere safe.   That is not justice, that is encouragement to commit crime.

We are far too soft, bring back corpral punishment for violent crimes that includes killing by use of a motorcar.   We also net the warrented Police Officers back on the streets and the pathetic plastics sacked.

And therein lies the problem. If there were enough Police to respond in the first place, who could deal with the alleged offenders in an appropriate manner without the fear of being taken to court themselves, then the problem would not exist. You live in an idealistic world and don't appear to realise that to go indoors and phone the police and expect the problem to be resolved is just about as likely as me going to the moon.

I agree that to bring back the Death Penalty is not the solution - but at the same time how many of us have been in Helen Newlove's shoes? I think it likely that some of us would no doubt change our views if such a hideous crime was inflicted upon us.

There are enough Police, in theory, but to reach 'Targets', competant recruits have been turned away and less competant accepted, so a force was capable of meeting targets set by Government.   As for expecting a problem solved at once by the Police, up to about 10-15 years ago it would happen.   This was before New Labour removed Police patrols from the street and introduced the Blunket Boobies.   The reintroduction of Constables on the beat 24/7 will reduce crime and anti social behaviour.  

nige b:

And therein lies the problem. If there were enough Police to respond in the first place, who could deal with the alleged offenders in an appropriate manner without the fear of being taken to court themselves, then the problem would not exist. You live in an idealistic world and don't appear to realise that to go indoors and phone the police and expect the problem to be resolved is just about as likely as me going to the moon.

I agree that to bring back the Death Penalty is not the solution - but at the same time how many of us have been in Helen Newlove's shoes? I think it likely that some of us would no doubt change our views if such a hideous crime was inflicted upon us.

 

if its was someone close to me i wouldnt want them executed. some could say it is the easy way out for them but i dont belive its punishment. its premeditated murder made justifiable.

id want them to sit in a cell for life and live with the burden being surrounded by 4 grey walls with no tvs etc or 5 star teatment. "killing a killer makes you a killer". plain and simple it never defuses the problem only makes you just as bad as them.

i still cant get over her interview. how the hell she was allowed to plea for the death penalty to kids nevermind the crimes they commited is outrageous and nation-wide too. i would not be suprised if a public outcry ensued against helen. im sure thats what happened in america when texas wanted to lower the death penalty age to 10.

yes that is true

Since the abolition of the death penalty murders have gone up 3 fold,and seeing as people under 16 are supposed to not know what is right and wrong they are not dealt with by the courts unless it is a very very serious offence, telling Europe to butt out of the UKs legal affairs is the only way forward,bring back corporal punishment the Approved schools Borstals and Detention centres and lets see minors who commit offences back in court,I speak to quite a lot of people and they are all of the same opinion the kids rule the streets today and the adults can do nothing about it,where is it all going to end because the law in this country now does more for the criminal than it ever has for the victim,do gooders are more to blame than most,my user should tell you something.    

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