in any competition, there is only on champion. there can only be one champion there cannot be two. the competitors make the competion not the rules. all football matches are played under the same rules and yet the champions are only champions of they league they play in. this is the reason there are different leagues. sebastien bourdais is no f1 champion or is he?

moomoo:

Problem young drivers have these days is no testing so it really sucks because without the testing they have to work it all out in the race and thats why we're seeing them crash n *** all the time this year.

 

i don't think it has anything to do with testing or the lack of it. hamilton, vettel and kobayashi have proved how good they are without testing. fisichella also proves it has nothing to do with testing. how much f1 experience has he had? and yet he calls for two days of testing to get used to the ferrari.

aveli666:

facts

1 gp2 and gp2 asia series are two different motor racing series.

They both still GP2

2 kobayashi is gp2 asia series and will never be described as gp2 champion.

It will , has been and  all that doesn't even matter

3 hamilton rosberg and glock will never be described as gp2 asia series champions.

The diference is they both GP2 series but only one is GP2 Asia series, So Kobayashi can be GP2 champion but Roberg can not be GP2 Asia champion, thats very simple.

4 only racist idiots use the word boy in reference to a fully grown man. 

Where is racism in that ? Did you lost all sence of words you posting?

Now just get on with it and show us another topic of how Hamilton is better than anyone else..lets say in cooking..

here are a few facts.

1 kobayashi is gp2 asia series champion.

2 hamilton glock and rosberg are not gp2 asia aeries champions.

3 the competitors make the series, not the rules. all football matches are played under the same rules but champions in any competition are not world champions. 

4 gp2 asia series and gp2 are not the same series so the champions are not champions of both series because they don't race against each other.

5 there is only one winner in every series. 

aveli666:

here are a few facts.

1 kobayashi is gp2 asia series champion.

2 hamilton glock and rosberg are not gp2 asia aeries champions.

3 the competitors make the series, not the rules. all football matches are played under the same rules but champions in any competition are not world champions. 

4 gp2 asia series and gp2 are not the same series so the champions are not champions of both series because they don't race against each other.

5 there is only one winner in every series. 

 

That makes Kobayashi GP2 champion anyway.

aveli666:

facts

1 gp2 and gp2 asia series are two different motor racing series.

2 kobayashi is gp2 asia series and will never be described as gp2 champion.

3 hamilton rosberg and glock will never be described as gp2 asia series champions.

4 only racist idiots use the word boy in reference to a fully grown man. 

Repetition of the facts doesn't change the fact that you interpreted what Alonso said to mean that it was a specific GP2 series. Without reading Alonso's Mind I would be unable to tell whether he was referring to a specific one or the two as a generalisation. I would say that it is more likely to be later, to be on the safe side. It would also make more sense if you look at the people he has had partnering him.

I will ignore the last point as it is irrelevant to the discussion.

aveli666:

in any competition, there is only on champion. there can only be one champion there cannot be two. the competitors make the competion not the rules. all football matches are played under the same rules and yet the champions are only champions of they league they play in. this is the reason there are different leagues. sebastien bourdais is no f1 champion or is he?

Keeping with the theme of football. The champions league has many current a previous champions playing in it so they generalise by using the term champions. It is use because it is the common factor. GP2 is present in both The GP2 series and The GP2 Asia series.

f.eric:

aveli666:

in any competition, there is only on champion. there can only be one champion there cannot be two. the competitors make the competion not the rules. all football matches are played under the same rules and yet the champions are only champions of they league they play in. this is the reason there are different leagues. sebastien bourdais is no f1 champion or is he?

Keeping with the theme of football. The champions league has many current a previous champions playing in it so they generalise by using the term champions. It is use because it is the common factor. GP2 is present in both The GP2 series and The GP2 Asia series.

i think you're bored. since when did gp2 champions races agains gp2 asia series champions?

the champion league is a competition in which there is only one winner and they are called champions. only they are the champions.

if i tell you something, it is my responsibility that i say it in a way that you understand it. alonso made a mistake and you're surely there to pretend that he didn't make a mistake. he said they were gp2 champions. who are the others? piquet is certainly not a gp2 champion. grosjean is gp2 asia series champion and who are the rest? alonso has lost his confidence and looks like he lost his mind along with it. he now claims he is not an engineer so he cannot be involved in developing the 2010 ferrari, where are his 6 tenths?

aveli666:

f.eric:

aveli666:

in any competition, there is only on champion. there can only be one champion there cannot be two. the competitors make the competion not the rules. all football matches are played under the same rules and yet the champions are only champions of they league they play in. this is the reason there are different leagues. sebastien bourdais is no f1 champion or is he?

Keeping with the theme of football. The champions league has many current a previous champions playing in it so they generalise by using the term champions. It is use because it is the common factor. GP2 is present in both The GP2 series and The GP2 Asia series.

i think you're bored. since when did gp2 champions races agains gp2 asia series champions?

the champion league is a competition in which there is only one winner and they are called champions. only they are the champions.

if i tell you something, it is my responsibility that i say it in a way that you understand it. alonso made a mistake and you're surely there to pretend that he didn't make a mistake. he said they were gp2 champions. who are the others? piquet is certainly not a gp2 champion. grosjean is gp2 asia series champion and who are the rest? alonso has lost his confidence and looks like he lost his mind along with it. he now claims he is not an engineer so he cannot be involved in developing the 2010 ferrari, where are his 6 tenths?

I understood it the first time, you are taking Alonso's words literally and assuming to know exactly what he meant. The repeated facts don't prove anything about the truth of your interpretation of what he has said or his state of mind, it is only your opinion.

this is to all those who argue for the sake of arguing. kobayashi is the asia series gp2 champion but he didn't do very well when he took part in gp2 and this is what hewett had to say about kobayashi. why does he not refer to kobayashi as a gp2 champion then? shame onto you all.

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"I was very impressed, we were very happy again," added Howett.

"What we like is his real fighting spirit, not intimidated by anybody."

"He's a product of our own driver programme so therefore it's another positive reason, he's Japanese and we're a Japanese team. So there are lots of positives."

Howett admitted it had been a gamble to promote Kobayashi because of his unconvincing form in the GP2 feeder series.

"I think we always understood he was very good in terms of racing spirit, I think all through his career," Howett said.

"But partly because the GP2 pace didn't look that competitive you are always hesitant about the risk.

"I think it's a definite lesson that sometimes we all should be braver in our driver choices and not go for the safer, risk-hedged decision."

Trulli and Glock both seem likely to leave the Cologne-based team, whose future in F1 is in doubt.

Toyota's board is meeting later this month to sign off the company's budget for 2010.

The company made a loss of £483m in the three months to the end of June.

 

aveli666:

this is to all those who argue for the sake of arguing. kobayashi is the asia series gp2 champion but he didn't do very well when he took part in gp2 and this is what hewett had to say about kobayashi. why does he not refer to kobayashi as a gp2 champion then? shame onto you all.

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"I was very impressed, we were very happy again," added Howett.

"What we like is his real fighting spirit, not intimidated by anybody."

"He's a product of our own driver programme so therefore it's another positive reason, he's Japanese and we're a Japanese team. So there are lots of positives."

Howett admitted it had been a gamble to promote Kobayashi because of his unconvincing form in the GP2 feeder series.

"I think we always understood he was very good in terms of racing spirit, I think all through his career," Howett said.

"But partly because the GP2 pace didn't look that competitive you are always hesitant about the risk.

"I think it's a definite lesson that sometimes we all should be braver in our driver choices and not go for the safer, risk-hedged decision."

Trulli and Glock both seem likely to leave the Cologne-based team, whose future in F1 is in doubt.

Toyota's board is meeting later this month to sign off the company's budget for 2010.

The company made a loss of £483m in the three months to the end of June.

It is a diferent person so it is not evidence that Alonso was purely referring to The GP2 series. And please note that they refer specifically to that particular series not the more generalised reference that Alonso used. This is the point I mentioned earlier.

f.eric:

It is a diferent person so it is not evidence that Alonso was purely referring to The GP2 series. And please note that they refer specifically to that particular series not the more generalised reference that Alonso used. This is the point I mentioned earlier.

I agree. And Alonso did not refer to champions, he said GP2 winners. Looks like some people only argue for the arguments sake, without comprehending much.

justrace:

f.eric:

It is a diferent person so it is not evidence that Alonso was purely referring to The GP2 series. And please note that they refer specifically to that particular series not the more generalised reference that Alonso used. This is the point I mentioned earlier.

I agree. And Alonso did not refer to champions, he said GP2 winners. Looks like some people only argue for the arguments sake, without comprehending much.

To be honest, the facts are irrelevant ot what I have explained though I am done because I am not exactly sure how many more ways I can put the same point. What with this and the comment about not saying he gave Ferrari 6 tenths of a second before he has even driven a car for them, I think someoneone is clutching at straws.

justrace:

I agree. And Alonso did not refer to champions, he said GP2 winners. Looks like some people only argue for the arguments sake, without comprehending much.

let's be honest justrace, olympic winners are described as olympic champions, premiership winners are also described af premiership champions, f1 winner is f1 champion so why is gp2 winner not a gp2 champion?

first people claimed alonso referred to gp2 and gp2 asia series and when i asked for the other winners, you came up with this idea of race winners. race winners are not champions and renault got rid of both those drivers alonso claim to be gp2 winners and very good oposition to him over the two years. renault got rid of them because they are not good enough. this alone shows that alonso is in an emotional state because he has lost confidence in himself and says things to try to cheer himself up. i suspect piquet was sacked for political reasons and grosjean sacked because he was worse than piquet. i hope piquet finds a seat in f1 though.

why do you refuse to accept the truth? 

aveli666:

justrace:

I agree. And Alonso did not refer to champions, he said GP2 winners. Looks like some people only argue for the arguments sake, without comprehending much.

let's be honest justrace, olympic winners are described as olympic champions, premiership winners are also described af premiership champions, f1 winner is f1 champion so why is gp2 winner not a gp2 champion?

first people claimed alonso referred to gp2 and gp2 asia series and when i asked for the other winners, you came up with this idea of race winners. race winners are not champions and renault got rid of both those drivers alonso claim to be gp2 winners and very good oposition to him over the two years. renault got rid of them because they are not good enough. this alone shows that alonso is in an emotional state because he has lost confidence in himself and says things to try to cheer himself up. i suspect piquet was sacked for political reasons and grosjean sacked because he was worse than piquet. i hope piquet finds a seat in f1 though.

why do you refuse to accept the truth? 

Do you know what you have just said? Let me paraphrase it for you. Winners are exactly the same as champions but if you win a race you have won something so you are a winner yet not a champion, that really is a good grasp of the concepts. I don't even have to near the rest of that to show how illogical your post is. Now I am getting bored, you are making this way too easy.