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Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

dead man — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:03:14 GMT

It's been a week almost.. and i was thinking why you guys are being so offensive about the decision.

oh!! i get it now.. you guys seriously think Hamilton can't win WDC. You guys don't beleive Hamilton has got what it takes to be a Champion.

Look at KIMI on the other hand.. some 15+ points behing and he say's fight begins at Monza. What a true Champion.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

dee h — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:26:20 GMT

Personally, I don’t think the Ferrari vs McLaren thing is the only issue here. Lets face it, Lewis Hamilton – a black man, has broken the stereo typical image of an F1 driver. There, I’ve said it – like it or not. Like you didn’t notice.

For the first time in F1 history a black driver could be world champion. I think the old school mentalities at the FIA can’t handle that prospect. Judging by the response to what happened at Spa I think the vast majority of racing fans would be happy to see Lewis win the championship, all things being equal.

This whole incident just highlights how out of touch the FIA - aka the Bernie and Max show, really is.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

stigga — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:45:58 GMT

buttononrails:
he did give the place back but still gained the advantage as you can tell by the next corner.....

Perfectly correct.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

rachbax — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:09:35 GMT

Has anybody noticed though that whenever ferari do anything wrong, its always investigated 'after the race' so that nothing is done about it. When it is mclaren they get punished straight away.

Iff Massa had done what hamilton had done then nothing would have been done about it. it ridiculous. And im sick of it.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

garysandstorm — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:38:16 GMT

What is non biased you say mmm who knows, I dont LOL seriously.

we all agree the great hammy was catching kimi quickly running up to the bus-stop, then he pulls to the outside of kimi at the entry and gets slightly ahead trying his usual and reckless overtaking moves, BUT unlike most ( Kovy) kimi decides to Defend his position which he was in titled to do, squeezes his car in the apex for right turn then forcing hammy off who could have slowed down seeiyng kimi not giving up his position like a skippy(Kovy) and try to fight another day no he stay where he is and kimi forces him to leave the track which was done fairly and not dangerously Ive personally seen worst from hammy but that not the point.. so hamster takes the lead and then shortly slow down to let kimi go passed him but he remains beside kimi and crossing the finish line going 6k's slower... agree . Now leading to the braking zone for the first corner hamster was on the oustide or the ideal line and kimi in the inside so kimi who should have been given the lead decides to move to the ideal line to the entry of the corner but hamsters nose is in the way, kimi then moves again to the right and again left this time he gets there but hamster seeing this performance decides to stab to the right and outbrakes kimi to the corner and does fancy blocking techniques to stop kimi from passing him and the race goes on and on.

Well it doesnt take much to see what is wrong with "That" incident, and i mean if you compare it to Rules and Regulations.

if he decided to remain on the track he would have lost time and be some distance behind kimi and not close enough to perform any sort of successful pass move with that said he decided to remain course and ended up cutting the corner but only releasing kimi partially and placing himself in the ideal path for the next corner which as kimi was the lead should be entitled to if it was given to him and hamster who should have been given back to him as well as any advantage gained from cutting the corner, no this is not what happened hamster was on his tail waiting to jump at the opportunity that he knew was there before he even so called gave the place back.

well thats my take on things hope you enjoy foaming over this

Cheers and enjoy the rest of the season

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

stigga — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:27:30 GMT

fragile5150:

shocking !!!! disgusting !!!!!! a joke !!!!! ...... what other terms can we use to describe F1 and The FIA ?

i am going to bycott all F1 from now on, and i have been a huge fan for many many years.

we lived through the "Schuey" years, and now this, JUST STOP FIA !!!!!! your not doing this "sport" any favours. i honestly thought this year would be a clean fight, and the outcome would be from the racing, but NO, the suits have to mess it all up again.

take care F1, it was fun, but the time has come to say goodbye.

Roflmao, another one who's joined the forum just to say goodbye!!!! I wonder how many would have if it was a subscription service.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

flatspotter — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:11:34 GMT

o miller time o:

... but I'm willing to bet if you asked them privately about it they would agree with the overall feeling that this penalty is way, way too harsh for an incident in which no rules were broken!

Interesting point; I suspect you're right as far as Kimi is concerned because he's a racer and especially given that the penalty puts him even further behind Filipe. However, if Filipe wins the championship by a mere hand full of points, I don't think you'll hear any turkeys voting for Christmas.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

f1 damon — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:00:46 GMT

morgandude:
peasantburner:

harsh but fair in my book.

Lewis cut the chicane, gained sporting advantage, passed Raikkonen almost by default into La Source as he was carrying so much more speed up the pit straight, Raikkonen attempting to retake the lead after losing it to the dubious move damaged his front wing, then spun off the road whilst travelling in a straight line after Blanchimont, almost certainly helped along by an aero imbalance the collision with Lewis (who had passed unfairly, in my opinion at least) caused.

Put simply, if Lewis hadn't cut the chicane, Raikkonen would much less likely have spun off.

Total fantasy!

What race was peasantburner watching? Or is he one of the stewards??

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

Stevesixty7 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:21:09 GMT

robshanks:
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I have watched Formula 1 for as long as I have watched television, which at 39 years old is quite a long time now, and I am now becoming so disheartened with the way that decisions are being taken in private without any accountability that I am finding it difficult to enthuse about the sport anymore.

The drivers give their all on the racetrack and risk life and limb to demonstrate their skill and endurance for our enjoyment.

I do not watch the race and then wait with baited breath to see what the stewards will make of the race and what the ‘real’ outcome will be. I didn’t after the last race and was not surprised to see that Massa had been fined for his very dangerous release for his pit box. I didn’t after today’s race as I genuinely did not believe that anyone would want to detract from what turned out to be an extremely exciting finale to an otherwise processional race.

The evidence is unfortunately circumstantial but becoming overwhelming that there is one rule for Maclaren and another rule for everyone else, and it is circumstantial because the decisions are taken in private and without any accountability.

For example, ‘The Stewards’, who are they? Why aren’t we told who they are? And why don’t they carry out their investigations in public with the arguments from the teams and drivers televised, it might get better viewing figures than some of the races.

Unfortunately Lewis if you want an F1 World Championship title you might have to switch to FIArrari. Mind you then all you will have to do is finish 2^nd or 3^rd taking it easy and anyone in front will be penalised for racing you . . .

Your name has interested me Rob. I worked with a Rob Shanks a few years ago in water hygiene, and your age is about right. If iv'e got the wrong person though, ignore this. Your post is pretty much what most people think though, not good.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

ddonkey — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:27:26 GMT

I really hope Massa refuses the trophy, coz I'm sure they'll be some sort of photo oppertunity at Monza of him receiving it. A small gesture like that from him would speak volumes to the viewing public. And I would certainly respect him for doing it.

But then again if it's at Monza, home of the red car, prob'ly very little chance of that happening....

R.I.P. F1

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

genkisan — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:32:37 GMT

I am appalled at this decision. I have watched F1 for over 20 years and this is the first time that I have felt disgust to this degree in the sport that I am considering boycotting it and just stick to Moto GP or one of the other real racing series. I'm that incensed that I have gone to the bother of registering on this site and saying my piece.

This is a BLACK day for F1.

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

racer 111 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:07:16 GMT

stigga:
Hamilton has been given a 25 second penalty for cutting the chicane.

Seen at Spa on Sunday evening,

Well known team principle ( not McLaren ) getting into his car in the paddock.

One of the race stewards walked passed and nodded in his direction, gentleman raised his clenched fist with middle finger pointing at the sky.

Thank you Mr xxxxxxxxx, and to the steward and his friends, that was from all of us at Spa.

Regards

Racer111

( posted on other treads )

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

papajay — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:00:29 GMT

Just a thought.. If Lewis was 26 secs ahead of Massa at the chequered flag, would the stewards have penalised him by 27 seconds??

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

big derby dan — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:47:50 GMT

here, here, well said

Re: Hamilton Penalised, Massa Give Win

buttononrails — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:11:31 GMT

he did give the place back but still gained the advantage as you can tell by the next corner.....