PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

Just to think, Hamilton gets called dangerous (for something he didnt do), while most seem to want to turn a blind eye to the lastest footage, and those who do respond call Webber Optimistic....it is hypocrisy to say the least.

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

You are right, the incident at the chicane, when Webber had to take the escape route. Clearly Webber at fault.

However, that is not the same incident with Webber, to which Martin Brundle's comment was Hamilton is pushing his luck, and the ITV-F1 article "Lewis plays down Webber incident".

justrace:

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

You are right, the incident at the chicane, when Webber had to take the escape route. Clearly Webber at fault.

However, that is not the same incident with Webber, to which Martin Brundle's comment was Hamilton is pushing his luck, and the ITV-F1 article "Lewis plays down Webber incident".

Wasn't it? I thought it was that incident?

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

Uhm, I'm afraid not.  I'm too busy to write a long reply, but I've quickly watched that footage again and it's clear that Webber makes a left turn on his steering wheel before they touch, so he knew that Hamilton was either locking up and going straight on or, as it seems clear, turning left to get the drier line into the corner.

I've also watched the Timo Glock onboard footage...  Timo had better traction and acceleration out of the chicane; he was actually moving to re-take, but then around gear 4 Hamilton starts pulling away very slowly and just holds his line.  But this is pretty much exactly at the time Glock runs onto the grass, so I believe it was too early for Hamilton to assume Glock would get off the power knowing Hamilton was accelerating faster.

Well that was longer than I wanted it to be.

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

 

Sorry i didnt see it that way either yes yes i know i like Red Bull but in fairness even LH himself said he was moving over to the dry line which was where webber was. In doing so he pushed webber wide onto a damper part of the track and if you look closely webbers car starts to slide a little and webber puts in a turn to the right to steady it. this results in  him and LH hitting a little but it started because LH pused webber very close to the grass.

 

Im sorry i cant see how yuo can blame webber for this move after all he was defending his position not Lh. Lh was the one pushing webber out wider and wider and left with no where to go. I know you like Lh but fair is fair and do try to see that there were other facotrs that you just ignore

:)

ravenito:

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

 

Sorry i didnt see it that way either yes yes i know i like Red Bull but in fairness even LH himself said he was moving over to the dry line which was where webber was. In doing so he pushed webber wide onto a damper part of the track and if you look closely webbers car starts to slide a little and webber puts in a turn to the right to steady it. this results in  him and LH hitting a little but it started because LH pused webber very close to the grass.

 

Im sorry i cant see how yuo can blame webber for this move after all he was defending his position not Lh. Lh was the one pushing webber out wider and wider and left with no where to go. I know you like Lh but fair is fair and do try to see that there were other facotrs that you just ignore

:)

Im with Webber at fault for that one and think that is a great description from anome(bucth) Webber was very optimistic to even contemplate he could compete with Lewis for that position and should have not put himself in such a vunerable spot especially given the conditions and knowing Lewis had himself in such a position which would have made fighting the place impossible...

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ravenito:

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

 

Sorry i didnt see it that way either yes yes i know i like Red Bull but in fairness even LH himself said he was moving over to the dry line which was where webber was. In doing so he pushed webber wide onto a damper part of the track and if you look closely webbers car starts to slide a little and webber puts in a turn to the right to steady it. this results in  him and LH hitting a little but it started because LH pused webber very close to the grass.

 

Im sorry i cant see how yuo can blame webber for this move after all he was defending his position not Lh. Lh was the one pushing webber out wider and wider and left with no where to go. I know you like Lh but fair is fair and do try to see that there were other facotrs that you just ignore

:)

Im with Webber at fault for that one and think that is a great description from anome(bucth) Webber was very optimistic to even contemplate he could compete with Lewis for that position and should have not put himself in such a vunerable spot especially given the conditions and knowing Lewis had himself in such a position which would have made fighting the place impossible...

 

Well lets say your right and im wrong, isnt it you that says all over the place about Lh being allowed to defend his position and lines and isnt it you saying about how hes a racer and these things should be allowed to carry on? 

Or are you suggesting only LH now be allowed to defend and race? You think that a race driver if not Lh shouldnt expect to fight for a position he should just move over?. I have seen you say all of these things against others in respect of LH bashing as you call it  so why does it not work for others?.

That of course is if your right which i dont agree with but im not going to argue over

As for "Webber was very optimistic to even contemplate he could compete with Lewis for that position " why shouldnt he hes a racing driver and has self belief and therefore should race. Or should he just let drivers that are behind him overtake and not even try to respond.

Im very sorry for bringing this to your attention however it seems you have more inconsitency than Kimi does this year and thats saying something.

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ravenito:

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

It was definitely Dangerous driving from Hammy for the second time in the race, Webber can place his car wherever he wants on the circuit as long as he doesn't cause a collision (avoidable or otherwise) and yes Hammy has the right to defend but not to drive him of the road out of paranoia for being overtaken around the outside again!  After the Webber incident on top of what he did to Glock he should have been black flagged.

Sorry i didnt see it that way either yes yes i know i like Red Bull but in fairness even LH himself said he was moving over to the dry line which was where webber was. In doing so he pushed webber wide onto a damper part of the track and if you look closely webbers car starts to slide a little and webber puts in a turn to the right to steady it. this results in  him and LH hitting a little but it started because LH pused webber very close to the grass.

 

Im sorry i cant see how yuo can blame webber for this move after all he was defending his position not Lh. Lh was the one pushing webber out wider and wider and left with no where to go. I know you like Lh but fair is fair and do try to see that there were other facotrs that you just ignore

:)

Im with Webber at fault for that one and think that is a great description from anome(bucth) Webber was very optimistic to even contemplate he could compete with Lewis for that position and should have not put himself in such a vunerable spot especially given the conditions and knowing Lewis had himself in such a position which would have made fighting the place impossible...

I agree.  LH should have known that Webber was close by so going into the corner he should have checked to see where Webber was instead of automatically taking the racing line assuming Webber was not there.

Styrofoam_Guy:

I agree.  LH should have known that Webber was close by so going into the corner he should have checked to see where Webber was instead of automatically taking the racing line assuming Webber was not there.

Check..?!?! He doenst have huge wing mirrors or an interior mirror to check, he has tiny little Mirrors what seem to me like a total waste of time and according to brundle are just impossible to see out of on a nice day let alone on a day like sunday...

Next people will be asking for indicators and lorry mirrors or even cameras on each side with little head up display on the reverse of his visor to give the drivers even more things to concentrate on..

He was quite within his rights to squeeze Webber, anyhow wasnt that what happened to Lewis at spa and everyone was saying Kimi was well within his rights to squeeze Lewis...

Naughty, naughty Lewis i'm just glad it didnt damage his car..would have been a disaster....

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Styrofoam_Guy:

I agree.  LH should have known that Webber was close by so going into the corner he should have checked to see where Webber was instead of automatically taking the racing line assuming Webber was not there.

Check..?!?! He doenst have huge wing mirrors or an interior mirror to check, he has tiny little Mirrors what seem to me like a total waste of time and according to brundle are just impossible to see out of on a nice day let alone on a day like sunday...

Next people will be asking for indicators and lorry mirrors or even cameras on each side with little head up display on the reverse of his visor to give the drivers even more things to concentrate on..

He was quite within his rights to squeeze Webber, anyhow wasnt that what happened to Lewis at spa and everyone was saying Kimi was well within his rights to squeeze Lewis...

Naughty, naughty Lewis i'm just glad it didnt damage his car..would have been a disaster....

Can I ask, why did you even bother answer that post? I think it was written out of sarcasm, it was not funny though. The poster ask, Lewis Hamilton should have know he was there, and should not have taken the drivers line which he was on in the first place....surely not a serious post at all.

1, LH was on the drivers line, Webber saw him there and in front of him.

2, Webber smacked Hamilton before Lewis even went to take the corner.

justrace:

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

You are right, the incident at the chicane, when Webber had to take the escape route. Clearly Webber at fault.

However, that is not the same incident with Webber, to which Martin Brundle's comment was Hamilton is pushing his luck, and the ITV-F1 article "Lewis plays down Webber incident".

Its not? Sack the racing director we actually missed that one LOL

So is this the first or second incident? No wonder Webber backed off and seemed tamed, fantastic Hamilton at his best. So he defended his postion TWICE from Webber LOL. Would I be wrong for suggesting this was the second scrap between the pair of them, and Webber was the one who indeed came up for more...and lost out BIG TIME hahahaha.

anametoremember:

justrace:

anametoremember:

 

PF1, now, there is a thread with a better angle view of Webber Braking late and turning to turn in toooo early, thus resulting in the weirdst 'trying to' overtake in F1 for a very long time. Hamilton had and was on the racing line, while Webber was on the damp side, and I cannot comprehend just what he really thought he could pull off. Well done Hamilton, for defending his postion as a racer and for soaking in the criticism for it.....when in fact Webber should be blamed for it 100%....Gosh he was lucky his car didnt brake indeed.

You are right, the incident at the chicane, when Webber had to take the escape route. Clearly Webber at fault.

However, that is not the same incident with Webber, to which Martin Brundle's comment was Hamilton is pushing his luck, and the ITV-F1 article "Lewis plays down Webber incident".

Its not? Sack the racing director we actually missed that one LOL

So is this the first or second incident? No wonder Webber backed off and seemed tamed, fantastic Hamilton at his best. So he defended his postion TWICE from Webber LOL. Would I be wrong for suggesting this was the second scrap between the pair of them, and Webber was the one who indeed came up for more...and lost out BIG TIME hahahaha.

Yes Butch didnt you know that Lewis managed to pull off two absolutley fantastic manouvers on Webber...What an absolute star of a driver, wonder if all the other drivers are starting to wonder what his secret is and if they will ever be like him..

Everyone who is saying that it was Webber's fault is absolutely correct, he should of taken LH out of the race.