Now I mean not to get on any of Lewis bashers nerves, but nevertheless in all my years of watching F1, I have never seen a team have such a dramatic turnaround. We also have to remember the dramatic turnaround was with KERS and limited testing.

Say if Kimi was leading McLaren in 2009, hell i would also add Alonso, could McLaren have made such a gain with a lack of testing and KERS in such a short period of time? Renault ditched theirs and Ferrari with KIMI'S opportunity to lead the team ditched their development alltogether.

Also I must say looking at Hamilton in Adu Dhabi pre whoever incharge of Parc feme fiddling with his brakes, he gave new and meaningful meaning to the terms, I brought 7 tenths to a team That wasnt sheer mouth, it was sheer facts.

Of course nothing could happen without the mechanical enigeers at McLaren and all those who test 24/7 with the wind tunnels (goes withouting), but this could be somewhat accredited to King Lewis!!!!!!!

anametoremember:

Now I mean not to get on any of Lewis bashers nerves, but nevertheless in all my years of watching F1, I have never seen a team have such a dramatic turnaround. We also have to remember the dramatic turnaround was with KERS and limited testing.

Say if Kimi was leading McLaren in 2009, hell i would also add Alonso, could McLaren have made such a gain with a lack of testing and KERS in such a short period of time? Renault ditched theirs and Ferrari with KIMI'S opportunity to lead the team ditched their development alltogether.

Also I must say looking at Hamilton in Adu Dhabi pre whoever incharge of Parc feme fiddling with his brakes, he gave new and meaningful meaning to the terms, I brought 7 tenths to a team That wasnt sheer mouth, it was sheer facts.

Of course nothing could happen without the mechanical enigeers at McLaren and all those who test 24/7 with the wind tunnels (goes withouting), but this could be somewhat accredited to King Lewis!!!!!!!

 

I think there were two technical elements that McLaren got right during the season

1. The sorted out their front end at the German GP, which was visibly horrible before that
2. They got KERS working properly.  They also made the KERS unit lighter by the end of the season, so the weight penalty was not as bad - that meant that they could play with the cars ballast to a small degree.

Hamilton made up the rest, but I think for a true indication of where the car was, you probably need to look where Kovy was coming.

I can see a major loophole in your latest theory...You see, While Fernando was there, Lewis only managed to be 1 sometimes 2 tenths faster and only when Lewis ran with a lighter car.......

Fernando has managed to drag that French shopping trolley in to the points several times in the last 2 years.  As for Kimi... is not his fault, the team give up development for this year car.  

Now, LH is a good driver, I've never denied that fact but, the 2.8 seconds did not come from him...Here is a clue...can you say Engineers?

here, hamilton tells us himself how he got the team to improve the car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8211911.stm 

aveli666:

here, hamilton tells us himself how he got the team to improve the car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8211911.stm 

First off: Aveli, I think Hamilton is a good driver and I enjoy watching him race. There, that is my stance on Hamilton, so there's no need for you to disappear off on tangents about diseases and other nonsense. Okay?

Back to the point: I have just wasted 9 minutes of my life watching that self-serving claptrap from Hamilton about how he basically sticks his nose into what everyone else is doing, which must get annoying as he says so himself, and he likes to feel as if he has a reasonable understanding of how the various bits of the car work. Fine, good for him.

The point I think you're missing is when he says (this is as close to his quote as I can remember) "When I get into a corner the car does this, and so I then ask the guys 'why is that?'" - that to me suggests a perfectly normal driver/team relationship: Hamilton feels the car do something he doesn't like, he asks the team why that is, the engineers explain, and together they try and find a solution. Hamilton does not dictate to the engineers what to do or how to do it, he gives feedback from inside the car (his job) and the engineers do their jobs.

mattw42:

aveli666:

here, hamilton tells us himself how he got the team to improve the car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8211911.stm 

First off: Aveli, I think Hamilton is a good driver and I enjoy watching him race. There, that is my stance on Hamilton, so there's no need for you to disappear off on tangents about diseases and other nonsense. Okay?

Back to the point: I have just wasted 9 minutes of my life watching that self-serving claptrap from Hamilton about how he basically sticks his nose into what everyone else is doing, which must get annoying as he says so himself, and he likes to feel as if he has a reasonable understanding of how the various bits of the car work. Fine, good for him.

The point I think you're missing is when he says (this is as close to his quote as I can remember) "When I get into a corner the car does this, and so I then ask the guys 'why is that?'" - that to me suggests a perfectly normal driver/team relationship: Hamilton feels the car do something he doesn't like, he asks the team why that is, the engineers explain, and together they try and find a solution. Hamilton does not dictate to the engineers what to do or how to do it, he gives feedback from inside the car (his job) and the engineers do their jobs.

what is wrong with you then?

i have said nothing about how hamilton does it.

he tells you himself on the video. what he said is what goes on, i don't think you know that better than him.

please! 

lympog:

anametoremember:

Now I mean not to get on any of Lewis bashers nerves, but nevertheless in all my years of watching F1, I have never seen a team have such a dramatic turnaround. We also have to remember the dramatic turnaround was with KERS and limited testing.

Say if Kimi was leading McLaren in 2009, hell i would also add Alonso, could McLaren have made such a gain with a lack of testing and KERS in such a short period of time? Renault ditched theirs and Ferrari with KIMI'S opportunity to lead the team ditched their development alltogether.

Also I must say looking at Hamilton in Adu Dhabi pre whoever incharge of Parc feme fiddling with his brakes, he gave new and meaningful meaning to the terms, I brought 7 tenths to a team That wasnt sheer mouth, it was sheer facts.

Of course nothing could happen without the mechanical enigeers at McLaren and all those who test 24/7 with the wind tunnels (goes withouting), but this could be somewhat accredited to King Lewis!!!!!!!

 

I think there were two technical elements that McLaren got right during the season

1. The sorted out their front end at the German GP, which was visibly horrible before that
2. They got KERS working properly.  They also made the KERS unit lighter by the end of the season, so the weight penalty was not as bad - that meant that they could play with the cars ballast to a small degree.

Hamilton made up the rest, but I think for a true indication of where the car was, you probably need to look where Kovy was coming.

Agreed, however, a good team would have needed a good driver who has excellent comprehension of feeding back data to make such a fast turnaround.

Diver123:

I can see a major loophole in your latest theory...You see, While Fernando was there, Lewis only managed to be 1 sometimes 2 tenths faster and only when Lewis ran with a lighter car.......

Fernando has managed to drag that French shopping trolley in to the points several times in the last 2 years.  As for Kimi... is not his fault, the team give up development for this year car.  

Now, LH is a good driver, I've never denied that fact but, the 2.8 seconds did not come from him...Here is a clue...can you say Engineers?

But I did say mechanical enigeers, and they have to be confident in a season to work with a good driver with F1 data comprehension, and of course Hamilton needed the mechancial engineers all the way.

The hard job is buiding the car, the job of responisblity is to drive it, howvever I saw the part when Hamilton said he knows every part of the car, knows how every part operates and also that he make sure everything that needs checking and testing in Woking gets tested and checked.....again, the enigineers have the hard job and put the brain power behind it all, but knowing you are working with a pendantic driver who feeds back data, checks in and makes sure everything is going as clock work can only aid the car in the direction of fast improvement.

 

Personally i dont believe we would have seen the mcLaren hjave such a dramatic change to what we saw with lewis Hamilton.

We saw him drive the KERS battleship this season, and we saw the most complicated car system improve THE most this season too, and "part" of that was down to Lewis Hamilton the driver, his skills, what he expects, what he gives back and what he is prepared to learn too and none of it holds any limits.

aveli666:

mattw42:

aveli666:

here, hamilton tells us himself how he got the team to improve the car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8211911.stm 

First off: Aveli, I think Hamilton is a good driver and I enjoy watching him race. There, that is my stance on Hamilton, so there's no need for you to disappear off on tangents about diseases and other nonsense. Okay?

Back to the point: I have just wasted 9 minutes of my life watching that self-serving claptrap from Hamilton about how he basically sticks his nose into what everyone else is doing, which must get annoying as he says so himself, and he likes to feel as if he has a reasonable understanding of how the various bits of the car work. Fine, good for him.

The point I think you're missing is when he says (this is as close to his quote as I can remember) "When I get into a corner the car does this, and so I then ask the guys 'why is that?'" - that to me suggests a perfectly normal driver/team relationship: Hamilton feels the car do something he doesn't like, he asks the team why that is, the engineers explain, and together they try and find a solution. Hamilton does not dictate to the engineers what to do or how to do it, he gives feedback from inside the car (his job) and the engineers do their jobs.

what is wrong with you then?

i have said nothing about how hamilton does it.

he tells you himself on the video. what he said is what goes on, i don't think you know that better than him.

please! 

Ah, okay, so it wasn't you that wrote "he ask them to explain certain changes in behavior of the car under certain conditions and he suggests to them how to correct it" in a different thread on exactly the same topic?

What happens is, he tells his engineers how the car is behaving, and his engineers figure out how to correct it. Hamilton does not tell hugely experienced engineers and mechanics how to do their jobs, in the same way that they don't tell him how to drive.

And I'm not sure why you're attacking me - my point is that Hamilton does his job well, and so do his engineers, and they work as a team..... which I think is the point you're trying to get across....?

anametoremember:

lympog:

anametoremember:

Now I mean not to get on any of Lewis bashers nerves, but nevertheless in all my years of watching F1, I have never seen a team have such a dramatic turnaround. We also have to remember the dramatic turnaround was with KERS and limited testing.

Say if Kimi was leading McLaren in 2009, hell i would also add Alonso, could McLaren have made such a gain with a lack of testing and KERS in such a short period of time? Renault ditched theirs and Ferrari with KIMI'S opportunity to lead the team ditched their development alltogether.

Also I must say looking at Hamilton in Adu Dhabi pre whoever incharge of Parc feme fiddling with his brakes, he gave new and meaningful meaning to the terms, I brought 7 tenths to a team That wasnt sheer mouth, it was sheer facts.

Of course nothing could happen without the mechanical enigeers at McLaren and all those who test 24/7 with the wind tunnels (goes withouting), but this could be somewhat accredited to King Lewis!!!!!!!

 

I think there were two technical elements that McLaren got right during the season

1. The sorted out their front end at the German GP, which was visibly horrible before that
2. They got KERS working properly.  They also made the KERS unit lighter by the end of the season, so the weight penalty was not as bad - that meant that they could play with the cars ballast to a small degree.

Hamilton made up the rest, but I think for a true indication of where the car was, you probably need to look where Kovy was coming.

Agreed, however, a good team would have needed a good driver who has excellent comprehension of feeding back data to make such a fast turnaround.

To be honest, this year is a bit difficult to use as judgement on how good a driver is at developing a car. The lack of testing meant that the engineers and designers had to have a stab at what might work and then try it in the limited testing time in the practices and during the race. Various teams went up and down throughout the season showing how hit and miss the development was. McLaren obviously got something right but as for who you can attribute the improvement to is anyone's guess.

I did think at the time that Alonso was boasting about his 0.6 of a second that he gave Mclaren so this is not anti Hamilton. I just don't think a driver has that much of an effect without the experts to balance the equation. You need a good driver to give you the feedback, you need a good set of experts to provide the clever bits, and this season you have needed a lot of luck to stick the right part on the car and get it to work properly.

Basically, they achieved the greatest improvement which is a testament to the whole team as without any part the process wouldn't work.

mattw42:

aveli666:

mattw42:

aveli666:

here, hamilton tells us himself how he got the team to improve the car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8211911.stm 

First off: Aveli, I think Hamilton is a good driver and I enjoy watching him race. There, that is my stance on Hamilton, so there's no need for you to disappear off on tangents about diseases and other nonsense. Okay?

Back to the point: I have just wasted 9 minutes of my life watching that self-serving claptrap from Hamilton about how he basically sticks his nose into what everyone else is doing, which must get annoying as he says so himself, and he likes to feel as if he has a reasonable understanding of how the various bits of the car work. Fine, good for him.

The point I think you're missing is when he says (this is as close to his quote as I can remember) "When I get into a corner the car does this, and so I then ask the guys 'why is that?'" - that to me suggests a perfectly normal driver/team relationship: Hamilton feels the car do something he doesn't like, he asks the team why that is, the engineers explain, and together they try and find a solution. Hamilton does not dictate to the engineers what to do or how to do it, he gives feedback from inside the car (his job) and the engineers do their jobs.

what is wrong with you then?

i have said nothing about how hamilton does it.

he tells you himself on the video. what he said is what goes on, i don't think you know that better than him.

please! 

Ah, okay, so it wasn't you that wrote "he ask them to explain certain changes in behavior of the car under certain conditions and he suggests to them how to correct it" in a different thread on exactly the same topic?

What happens is, he tells his engineers how the car is behaving, and his engineers figure out how to correct it. Hamilton does not tell hugely experienced engineers and mechanics how to do their jobs, in the same way that they don't tell him how to drive.

And I'm not sure why you're attacking me - my point is that Hamilton does his job well, and so do his engineers, and they work as a team..... which I think is the point you're trying to get across....?

A couple of great posts there Matt , but you can't reason with the unreasonable!

mattw42:

aveli666:

mattw42:

aveli666:

here, hamilton tells us himself how he got the team to improve the car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8211911.stm 

First off: Aveli, I think Hamilton is a good driver and I enjoy watching him race. There, that is my stance on Hamilton, so there's no need for you to disappear off on tangents about diseases and other nonsense. Okay?

Back to the point: I have just wasted 9 minutes of my life watching that self-serving claptrap from Hamilton about how he basically sticks his nose into what everyone else is doing, which must get annoying as he says so himself, and he likes to feel as if he has a reasonable understanding of how the various bits of the car work. Fine, good for him.

The point I think you're missing is when he says (this is as close to his quote as I can remember) "When I get into a corner the car does this, and so I then ask the guys 'why is that?'" - that to me suggests a perfectly normal driver/team relationship: Hamilton feels the car do something he doesn't like, he asks the team why that is, the engineers explain, and together they try and find a solution. Hamilton does not dictate to the engineers what to do or how to do it, he gives feedback from inside the car (his job) and the engineers do their jobs.

what is wrong with you then?

i have said nothing about how hamilton does it.

he tells you himself on the video. what he said is what goes on, i don't think you know that better than him.

please! 

Ah, okay, so it wasn't you that wrote "he ask them to explain certain changes in behavior of the car under certain conditions and he suggests to them how to correct it" in a different thread on exactly the same topic?

What happens is, he tells his engineers how the car is behaving, and his engineers figure out how to correct it. Hamilton does not tell hugely experienced engineers and mechanics how to do their jobs, in the same way that they don't tell him how to drive.

And I'm not sure why you're attacking me - my point is that Hamilton does his job well, and so do his engineers, and they work as a team..... which I think is the point you're trying to get across....?

it is common knowledge that nearly a thousand people work together at mclaren to make their cars. now what you need to understand is that those people are led by hamilton to make the best car for him and his teammate to drive to win both championships in 2010.

in that video hamilton says what he does to push them. i didn't invent it and ask him to say it on the video. he doesn't even know who i am so please don't credit me with that.

there are many other drivers in several teams who also work hard to make f1 cars with the intention of winning both championships. please go and found out how they do it better.... 

Does anybody know how the figure of 2.8 seconds was arrived at? Without going back to circuits that were used at the start of the season and doing a comparison test I can only assume it is some form of calculation? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the McLaren is not better than it was, clearly it is, but I'm interested to know how somebody came up with that figure.

 

aveli666:

mattw42:

aveli666:

mattw42:

aveli666:

here, hamilton tells us himself how he got the team to improve the car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8211911.stm 

First off: Aveli, I think Hamilton is a good driver and I enjoy watching him race. There, that is my stance on Hamilton, so there's no need for you to disappear off on tangents about diseases and other nonsense. Okay?

Back to the point: I have just wasted 9 minutes of my life watching that self-serving claptrap from Hamilton about how he basically sticks his nose into what everyone else is doing, which must get annoying as he says so himself, and he likes to feel as if he has a reasonable understanding of how the various bits of the car work. Fine, good for him.

The point I think you're missing is when he says (this is as close to his quote as I can remember) "When I get into a corner the car does this, and so I then ask the guys 'why is that?'" - that to me suggests a perfectly normal driver/team relationship: Hamilton feels the car do something he doesn't like, he asks the team why that is, the engineers explain, and together they try and find a solution. Hamilton does not dictate to the engineers what to do or how to do it, he gives feedback from inside the car (his job) and the engineers do their jobs.

what is wrong with you then?

i have said nothing about how hamilton does it.

he tells you himself on the video. what he said is what goes on, i don't think you know that better than him.

please! 

Ah, okay, so it wasn't you that wrote "he ask them to explain certain changes in behavior of the car under certain conditions and he suggests to them how to correct it" in a different thread on exactly the same topic?

What happens is, he tells his engineers how the car is behaving, and his engineers figure out how to correct it. Hamilton does not tell hugely experienced engineers and mechanics how to do their jobs, in the same way that they don't tell him how to drive.

And I'm not sure why you're attacking me - my point is that Hamilton does his job well, and so do his engineers, and they work as a team..... which I think is the point you're trying to get across....?

it is common knowledge that nearly a thousand people work together at mclaren to make their cars. now what you need to understand is that those people are led by hamilton to make the best car for him and his teammate to drive to win both championships in 2010.

in that video hamilton says what he does to push them. i didn't invent it and ask him to say it on the video. he doesn't even know who i am so please don't credit me with that.

there are many other drivers in several teams who also work hard to make f1 cars with the intention of winning both championships. please go and found out how they do it better.... 

Again : " When in doubt, mumble."

anametoremember:

Now I mean not to get on any of Lewis bashers nerves, but nevertheless in all my years of watching F1, I have never seen a team have such a dramatic turnaround. We also have to remember the dramatic turnaround was with KERS and limited testing.

Say if Kimi was leading McLaren in 2009, hell i would also add Alonso, could McLaren have made such a gain with a lack of testing and KERS in such a short period of time? Renault ditched theirs and Ferrari with KIMI'S opportunity to lead the team ditched their development alltogether.

Also I must say looking at Hamilton in Adu Dhabi pre whoever incharge of Parc feme fiddling with his brakes, he gave new and meaningful meaning to the terms, I brought 7 tenths to a team That wasnt sheer mouth, it was sheer facts.

Of course nothing could happen without the mechanical enigeers at McLaren and all those who test 24/7 with the wind tunnels (goes withouting), but this could be somewhat accredited to King Lewis!!!!!!!

 

Nah .. i think he just learned to stop whining like a little girl and stop worrying about making everyone in the world love him and put that energy into peddling a bit faster.