When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Yes Champ I believe he/she is, people who wouldnt normally bicker are... Racer should put an end to all this with proof or even disappear if they are to ashamed to admit it. It is obvious it is creating trouble in what is usually a good funny camp to be in.... When people are falling out because of a game then is enough not enough ?

 

the_hump:

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Yes Champ I believe he/she is, people who wouldnt normally bicker are... Racer should put an end to all this with proof or even disappear if they are to ashamed to admit it. It is obvious it is creating trouble in what is usually a good funny camp to be in.... When people are falling out because of a game then is enough not enough ?

 

Is it worth falling out over though?  Isn't it enough just to show you are sceptical but accept that racer has his followers?  All you can do is highlight the lack of evidence and let people make up their minds, but it's not worth getting upset about. 

champalonso:

the_hump:

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Yes Champ I believe he/she is, people who wouldnt normally bicker are... Racer should put an end to all this with proof or even disappear if they are to ashamed to admit it. It is obvious it is creating trouble in what is usually a good funny camp to be in.... When people are falling out because of a game then is enough not enough ?

 

Is it worth falling out over though?  Isn't it enough just to show you are sceptical but accept that racer has his followers?  All you can do is highlight the lack of evidence and let people make up their minds, but it's not worth getting upset about. 

But its not me, R1 or Mattw doing the falling out.

We are continuing to challenge Racer's posts but are being accused of persecution, bullying and other profanities.

We are constantley reminded that Racer has freedom of speech but why does that not apply to the people who wish to confront Racer ?

Its stinks of hypocrisy.

None of this is aimed at you Champ btw. 

the_hump:

champalonso:

the_hump:

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Yes Champ I believe he/she is, people who wouldnt normally bicker are... Racer should put an end to all this with proof or even disappear if they are to ashamed to admit it. It is obvious it is creating trouble in what is usually a good funny camp to be in.... When people are falling out because of a game then is enough not enough ?

 

Is it worth falling out over though?  Isn't it enough just to show you are sceptical but accept that racer has his followers?  All you can do is highlight the lack of evidence and let people make up their minds, but it's not worth getting upset about. 

But its not me, R1 or Mattw doing the falling out.

We are continuing to challenge Racer's posts but are being accused of persecution, bullying and other profanities.

We are constantley reminded that Racer has freedom of speech but why does that not apply to the people who wish to confront Racer ?

Its stinks of hypocrisy.

None of this is aimed at you Champ btw. 

Can't argue with that hump.

the_hump:

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Yes Champ I believe he/she is, people who wouldnt normally bicker are... Racer should put an end to all this with proof or even disappear if they are to ashamed to admit it. It is obvious it is creating trouble in what is usually a good funny camp to be in.... When people are falling out because of a game then is enough not enough ?

 

Well said, Hump. Even when people’s postings don’t make sense (the mods won’t let me name anyone) it doesn't make people bicker and argue. Some people’s views and beliefs are sometimes so far removed from reality that it makes me laugh out loud when I read them. We all reply, we post counter arguments, more craziness in response, and on it goes. But, frustrating as a lack of comprehension can be sometimes, this doesn't annoy me because I genuinely believe that the people involved think what they are writing is true.

However, if somebody deliberately sets out to mislead people then I find that behaviour - whether online or in real life - unacceptable.

 

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Re the bullying by r1-racing:

I think if you read it carefully, the accusations of bullying don't relate to r1-racing's comments to Racer111.  What is being questioned is his comments to other posters who defend Racer111.

For instance, these are things he has said to me:

Surely these postings would only be amusing to a person of below average intelligence or an alias.

Pedekay and Racers last two posts 7 mins apart. Hardly a coincidence

Surely somebody of balanced impartiality would take the evidence on board? However your defence gets more venomous as the posts go on and you clearly attempt to divert from the issue in question.   

This is how you get rumbled mate.  A liar is a liar and there will be no apology forthcoming.

to krisf1mad:  If you actually enjoy his post I put it to you that you have a very low threshold of what constitutes informative entertainment

 To John T:  These aliases are now obvious for all to see. It’s the passionate defence of these posts that give you away Racer. You are only fooling yourself.  For a supposedly technical man of retirement age, you seem somewhat gullible

There were also interjections put into a post by a new poster Blue Orchid, which are too long to be repeated here, but which were quite unpleasant - you get the idea.

Then r1-racing said in reply to redfrog: 'I will not berate anyone for having an opinion'  and  'I do not tolerate any form of bullying'    -  two statements which are not borne out by his previous posts to others.

Some other posters objected to r1-racing's way of speaking to those who supported Racer.  It was never about how he addressed Racer111, only about the way he addressed other posters, which was condescending and almost abusive.

However, having said that.......    I am most impressed with Redfrog's thread 'Whoa Whoa Whoa' calling for peace in our time, and I'll go along with what he says, and I'll let it go and not bear grudges.

 

Cheers humpy and champ     (or should that be )

 

pedekay:

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Re the bullying by r1-racing:

I think if you read it carefully, the accusations of bullying don't relate to r1-racing's comments to Racer111.  What is being questioned is his comments to other posters who defend Racer111.

For instance, these are things he has said to me:

Surely these postings would only be amusing to a person of below average intelligence or an alias.

Pedekay and Racers last two posts 7 mins apart. Hardly a coincidence

Surely somebody of balanced impartiality would take the evidence on board? However your defence gets more venomous as the posts go on and you clearly attempt to divert from the issue in question.   

This is how you get rumbled mate.  A liar is a liar and there will be no apology forthcoming.

to krisf1mad:  If you actually enjoy his post I put it to you that you have a very low threshold of what constitutes informative entertainment

 To John T:  These aliases are now obvious for all to see. It’s the passionate defence of these posts that give you away Racer. You are only fooling yourself.  For a supposedly technical man of retirement age, you seem somewhat gullible

There were also interjections put into a post by a new poster Blue Orchid, which are too long to be repeated here, but which were quite unpleasant - you get the idea.

Then r1-racing said in reply to redfrog: 'I will not berate anyone for having an opinion'  and  'I do not tolerate any form of bullying'    -  two statements which are not borne out by his previous posts to others.

Some other posters objected to r1-racing's way of speaking to those who supported Racer.  It was never about how he addressed Racer111, only about the way he addressed other posters, which was condescending and almost abusive.

However, having said that.......    I am most impressed with Redfrog's thread 'Whoa Whoa Whoa' calling for peace in our time, and I'll go along with what he says, and I'll let it go and not bear grudges.

 

Cheers humpy and champ     (or should that be )

 

Really sorry Pedekay, and I hate to have to do this but.....I disagree with the grounds people are calling R1 a bully....

Firstly, this is in no way a rant, and I dont want to upset the situation anymore than it is allready.

My problem with your examples is this, this forum can and has had some very heated discussions - I know this becuause I have found myself at the core of many. I have had my intelligence bought into question, I have been labelled a fanboy, a football hooligan and frankly names I didnt think would get pass moderation.....

Were was all these people screaming 'Bully' then ? 

Why is it only now that there has become this forum ettiquette ?

Why didnt I have this defence ? A long standing member who has been myself throught...

I can probably name a couple who did, Coops and Kimi's Girl...... Racer has an army...

Look at what Aname gets called, a harmless person who lives for Lewis and Ron but yet gains zero respect off the majority of members... Racer has this credibility with members even though they think he/she is lying.... Whats that about ?

Again sorry to drag this on but i want you to understand why im so hung up on this, it just reeks of double standards to me....

The issue is why people defend racer.

 

Racer has always remained passive but chooses to spit back via several aliases. My first questions to racer were quite innocent yet as member of this forum chose to answer for him by insulting my intelligence. Oh the irony……..

 

Upon reflection there are some people whom I suspected as aliases, I now believe that 1 of them is as kind hearted as I am cynical and the other just too proud to admit they were wrong.

However this does not apply to all, particularly the ones who defend racer with such venom and ofcourse those mysterious ones with only a few posts to their name.

 

When you defend racer and his ilk, you are condoning him making you a fool.

the_hump:

pedekay:

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Re the bullying by r1-racing:

I think if you read it carefully, the accusations of bullying don't relate to r1-racing's comments to Racer111.  What is being questioned is his comments to other posters who defend Racer111.

For instance, these are things he has said to me:

Surely these postings would only be amusing to a person of below average intelligence or an alias.

Pedekay and Racers last two posts 7 mins apart. Hardly a coincidence

Surely somebody of balanced impartiality would take the evidence on board? However your defence gets more venomous as the posts go on and you clearly attempt to divert from the issue in question.   

This is how you get rumbled mate.  A liar is a liar and there will be no apology forthcoming.

to krisf1mad:  If you actually enjoy his post I put it to you that you have a very low threshold of what constitutes informative entertainment

 To John T:  These aliases are now obvious for all to see. It’s the passionate defence of these posts that give you away Racer. You are only fooling yourself.  For a supposedly technical man of retirement age, you seem somewhat gullible

There were also interjections put into a post by a new poster Blue Orchid, which are too long to be repeated here, but which were quite unpleasant - you get the idea.

Then r1-racing said in reply to redfrog: 'I will not berate anyone for having an opinion'  and  'I do not tolerate any form of bullying'    -  two statements which are not borne out by his previous posts to others.

Some other posters objected to r1-racing's way of speaking to those who supported Racer.  It was never about how he addressed Racer111, only about the way he addressed other posters, which was condescending and almost abusive.

However, having said that.......    I am most impressed with Redfrog's thread 'Whoa Whoa Whoa' calling for peace in our time, and I'll go along with what he says, and I'll let it go and not bear grudges.

 

Cheers humpy and champ     (or should that be )

 

Really sorry Pedekay, and I hate to have to do this but.....I disagree with the grounds people are calling R1 a bully....

Firstly, this is in no way a rant, and I dont want to upset the situation anymore than it is allready.

My problem with your examples is this, this forum can and has had some very heated discussions - I know this becuause I have found myself at the core of many. I have had my intelligence bought into question, I have been labelled a fanboy, a football hooligan and frankly names I didnt think would get pass moderation.....

Were was all these people screaming 'Bully' then ? 

Why is it only now that there has become this forum ettiquette ?

Why didnt I have this defence ? A long standing member who has been myself throught...

I can probably name a couple who did, Coops and Kimi's Girl...... Racer has an army...

Look at what Aname gets called, a harmless person who lives for Lewis and Ron but yet gains zero respect off the majority of members... Racer has this credibility with members even though they think he/she is lying.... Whats that about ?

Again sorry to drag this on but i want you to understand why im so hung up on this, it just reeks of double standards to me....

Hi Hump,

Perhaps my use of the word bully was a little over the top, and for that I shall apologise to R1, IF he will apologise to me for inferring I have a below average intellect and also for accusing me of being an alias for racer111. Quite ironic when not long ago it was suggested that you and I were one in the same person.

For myself I have stated a few times that I have no real opinion either way on racer111 but I did feel that his posts did not warrant the venom in some of the replies. Because I expressed that opinion I was accused of the above. So I dont see that responding to those accusations in the way I did was that bad.

I hope you can be bothered to use the forum as I find your posts informative and entertaining. As I do R1's. It's just on this occasion our oppinions differ.

We cant all agree on everything all of the time. If we did there would be no need for forums.

jack 67:

the_hump:

pedekay:

champalonso:

the_hump:

When people are going all out to defend this 'Fantasist' over honest, credible and imformative posters like R1_Racing. I dont include myself in that list by the way before anybody believes I think I will be missed...

You say, ''They cause no problem'' - Clearley they do or we wouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves would we ?

R1, who seems to be at the brunt of everybodys bad mouthing, is only angered by the way this 'Fantasist' is taking people for mugs...He is clearly a realist who likes staright to the point and honest talking. You are persecuting a man of these standards for a 'Fantasist'...

Ridiculous.

I agree with what you say about r1racing and notice that he has been accused of being a bully, which is a bit unfair as he is only questioning racer's assertions.  It will be a sad day when people stop thinking for themselves and questioning things.  But I also defend racer's right to post what he likes, whether his comments are true or not he's not hurting anyone is he?

Re the bullying by r1-racing:

I think if you read it carefully, the accusations of bullying don't relate to r1-racing's comments to Racer111.  What is being questioned is his comments to other posters who defend Racer111.

For instance, these are things he has said to me:

Surely these postings would only be amusing to a person of below average intelligence or an alias.

Pedekay and Racers last two posts 7 mins apart. Hardly a coincidence

Surely somebody of balanced impartiality would take the evidence on board? However your defence gets more venomous as the posts go on and you clearly attempt to divert from the issue in question.   

This is how you get rumbled mate.  A liar is a liar and there will be no apology forthcoming.

to krisf1mad:  If you actually enjoy his post I put it to you that you have a very low threshold of what constitutes informative entertainment

 To John T:  These aliases are now obvious for all to see. It’s the passionate defence of these posts that give you away Racer. You are only fooling yourself.  For a supposedly technical man of retirement age, you seem somewhat gullible

There were also interjections put into a post by a new poster Blue Orchid, which are too long to be repeated here, but which were quite unpleasant - you get the idea.

Then r1-racing said in reply to redfrog: 'I will not berate anyone for having an opinion'  and  'I do not tolerate any form of bullying'    -  two statements which are not borne out by his previous posts to others.

Some other posters objected to r1-racing's way of speaking to those who supported Racer.  It was never about how he addressed Racer111, only about the way he addressed other posters, which was condescending and almost abusive.

However, having said that.......    I am most impressed with Redfrog's thread 'Whoa Whoa Whoa' calling for peace in our time, and I'll go along with what he says, and I'll let it go and not bear grudges.

 

Cheers humpy and champ     (or should that be )

 

Really sorry Pedekay, and I hate to have to do this but.....I disagree with the grounds people are calling R1 a bully....

Firstly, this is in no way a rant, and I dont want to upset the situation anymore than it is allready.

My problem with your examples is this, this forum can and has had some very heated discussions - I know this becuause I have found myself at the core of many. I have had my intelligence bought into question, I have been labelled a fanboy, a football hooligan and frankly names I didnt think would get pass moderation.....

Were was all these people screaming 'Bully' then ? 

Why is it only now that there has become this forum ettiquette ?

Why didnt I have this defence ? A long standing member who has been myself throught...

I can probably name a couple who did, Coops and Kimi's Girl...... Racer has an army...

Look at what Aname gets called, a harmless person who lives for Lewis and Ron but yet gains zero respect off the majority of members... Racer has this credibility with members even though they think he/she is lying.... Whats that about ?

Again sorry to drag this on but i want you to understand why im so hung up on this, it just reeks of double standards to me....

Hi Hump,

Perhaps my use of the word bully was a little over the top, and for that I shall apologise to R1, IF he will apologise to me for inferring I have a below average intellect and also for accusing me of being an alias for racer111. Quite ironic when not long ago it was suggested that you and I were one in the same person.

For myself I have stated a few times that I have no real opinion either way on racer111 but I did feel that his posts did not warrant the venom in some of the replies. Because I expressed that opinion I was accused of the above. So I dont see that responding to those accusations in the way I did was that bad.

I hope you can be bothered to use the forum as I find your posts informative and entertaining. As I do R1's. It's just on this occasion our oppinions differ.

We cant all agree on everything all of the time. If we did there would be no need for forums.

Cheers Jack ! I think I had a dummy out of mouth moment with regards to the ''Cant be bothered to use...etc''.

It would be a boring place if we were all to agree....

 

Mr.Woody:

Great input Woody - Go back to your own haunt, your needed....

to be honest, i can't believe anyone gives a damn - it's a ***irrelevant internet forum, not the house of parliament!!