After heaping praise on Kimi only a couple of weeks ago  I now feel McLaren have made the right decision in choosing Button over Kimi. Dont get me wrong, I would have dearly loved to see Kimi back with McLaren and still believe Kimi is the quickest driver out there. But, after seeing the way things have panned out I really believe Kimi just wasn’t that bothered whether he was in F1 or not, and in such a competitive arena if your not 100% committed you are simply a waste of time and resources.

The face of F1 is changing, the seemingly endless supply of cash is gone and the teams want more bang for their buck than they ever have. Kimi wanted more cash for less work ( ie PR appearances ) and the general feeling among the teams is that he isnt prepared to put in the hard work that is required of a top running team. With Jenson and Lewis, McLaren have got probably the best media friendly and hardest working drivers on the grid. Coupled with the fact , they have the two most recent WDC’s and a big #1 on their car, they have a great deal of kudos to ply their PR trade. Don’t forget they start selling the MP4 12C in 15 months time and with 2  media savvy WDC’s to take potential cumstomers for test drives it’s looking good.

From a racing point of view, Kimi would have been a better bet, but Jenson is no mug and will pick up solid points and wins. For those of you who think Jenson will be given a sound thrashing by Lewis, I wouldn’t be so sure of yourselves, Jenson has great racecraft and will benefit from no refuelling.

So taking everything into consideration, it really was a no brainer, Jenson wins hands down, and McLaren have made a great choice.

I agree with you. There certainly wasn't anybody on here predicting this outcome after Brazil was there?

Jenson has proved (to me at least) that his pay cheque is more important than either loyalty or having the best package. I'm not knocking him for that just pointing out that that appears to be his biggest motivator. He does have the best of both worlds though in moving to McLaren.

I look forward to seeing the pair of them racing in the same equipment. I suspect I know who will come out on top but I just hope it's not a white wash and the two are evenly matched. I don't think they will have anything but an amicable and respectful relationship as both (to me at least) seem to be decent guys.

I'm also pleased to see an all British independent team for once. I just hope they can finance it all as I can't see much in the way of sponsorship coming from the UK.

I'll have to see if I can get me a McLaren cap with Hamilton on one side and Button on the other!

redfrog:

After heaping praise on Kimi only a couple of weeks ago  I now feel McLaren have made the right decision in choosing Button over Kimi. Dont get me wrong, I would have dearly loved to see Kimi back with McLaren and still believe Kimi is the quickest driver out there. But, after seeing the way things have panned out I really believe Kimi just wasn’t that bothered whether he was in F1 or not, and in such a competitive arena if your not 100% committed you are simply a waste of time and resources.

The face of F1 is changing, the seemingly endless supply of cash is gone and the teams want more bang for their buck than they ever have. Kimi wanted more cash for less work ( ie PR appearances ) and the general feeling among the teams is that he isnt prepared to put in the hard work that is required of a top running team. With Jenson and Lewis, McLaren have got probably the best media friendly and hardest working drivers on the grid. Coupled with the fact , they have the two most recent WDC’s and a big #1 on their car, they have a great deal of kudos to ply their PR trade. Don’t forget they start selling the MP4 12C in 15 months time and with 2  media savvy WDC’s to take potential cumstomers for test drives it’s looking good.

From a racing point of view, Kimi would have been a better bet, but Jenson is no mug and will pick up solid points and wins. For those of you who think Jenson will be given a sound thrashing by Lewis, I wouldn’t be so sure of yourselves, Jenson has great racecraft and will benefit from no refuelling.

So taking everything into consideration, it really was a no brainer, Jenson wins hands down, and McLaren have made a great choice.

Good post - some very good points there. I guess you also have to consider that on top of all that, Jenson will have been considerably cheaper.

redfrog:

After heaping praise on Kimi only a couple of weeks ago  I now feel McLaren have made the right decision in choosing Button over Kimi. Dont get me wrong, I would have dearly loved to see Kimi back with McLaren and still believe Kimi is the quickest driver out there. But, after seeing the way things have panned out I really believe Kimi just wasn’t that bothered whether he was in F1 or not, and in such a competitive arena if your not 100% committed you are simply a waste of time and resources.

The face of F1 is changing, the seemingly endless supply of cash is gone and the teams want more bang for their buck than they ever have. Kimi wanted more cash for less work ( ie PR appearances ) and the general feeling among the teams is that he isnt prepared to put in the hard work that is required of a top running team. With Jenson and Lewis, McLaren have got probably the best media friendly and hardest working drivers on the grid. Coupled with the fact , they have the two most recent WDC’s and a big #1 on their car, they have a great deal of kudos to ply their PR trade. Don’t forget they start selling the MP4 12C in 15 months time and with 2  media savvy WDC’s to take potential cumstomers for test drives it’s looking good.

From a racing point of view, Kimi would have been a better bet, but Jenson is no mug and will pick up solid points and wins. For those of you who think Jenson will be given a sound thrashing by Lewis, I wouldn’t be so sure of yourselves, Jenson has great racecraft and will benefit from no refuelling.

So taking everything into consideration, it really was a no brainer, Jenson wins hands down, and McLaren have made a great choice.

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

justrace:

redfrog:

After heaping praise on Kimi only a couple of weeks ago  I now feel McLaren have made the right decision in choosing Button over Kimi. Dont get me wrong, I would have dearly loved to see Kimi back with McLaren and still believe Kimi is the quickest driver out there. But, after seeing the way things have panned out I really believe Kimi just wasn’t that bothered whether he was in F1 or not, and in such a competitive arena if your not 100% committed you are simply a waste of time and resources.

The face of F1 is changing, the seemingly endless supply of cash is gone and the teams want more bang for their buck than they ever have. Kimi wanted more cash for less work ( ie PR appearances ) and the general feeling among the teams is that he isnt prepared to put in the hard work that is required of a top running team. With Jenson and Lewis, McLaren have got probably the best media friendly and hardest working drivers on the grid. Coupled with the fact , they have the two most recent WDC’s and a big #1 on their car, they have a great deal of kudos to ply their PR trade. Don’t forget they start selling the MP4 12C in 15 months time and with 2  media savvy WDC’s to take potential cumstomers for test drives it’s looking good.

From a racing point of view, Kimi would have been a better bet, but Jenson is no mug and will pick up solid points and wins. For those of you who think Jenson will be given a sound thrashing by Lewis, I wouldn’t be so sure of yourselves, Jenson has great racecraft and will benefit from no refuelling.

So taking everything into consideration, it really was a no brainer, Jenson wins hands down, and McLaren have made a great choice.

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

After heaping praise on Kimi only a couple of weeks ago  I now feel McLaren have made the right decision in choosing Button over Kimi. Dont get me wrong, I would have dearly loved to see Kimi back with McLaren and still believe Kimi is the quickest driver out there. But, after seeing the way things have panned out I really believe Kimi just wasn’t that bothered whether he was in F1 or not, and in such a competitive arena if your not 100% committed you are simply a waste of time and resources.

The face of F1 is changing, the seemingly endless supply of cash is gone and the teams want more bang for their buck than they ever have. Kimi wanted more cash for less work ( ie PR appearances ) and the general feeling among the teams is that he isnt prepared to put in the hard work that is required of a top running team. With Jenson and Lewis, McLaren have got probably the best media friendly and hardest working drivers on the grid. Coupled with the fact , they have the two most recent WDC’s and a big #1 on their car, they have a great deal of kudos to ply their PR trade. Don’t forget they start selling the MP4 12C in 15 months time and with 2  media savvy WDC’s to take potential cumstomers for test drives it’s looking good.

From a racing point of view, Kimi would have been a better bet, but Jenson is no mug and will pick up solid points and wins. For those of you who think Jenson will be given a sound thrashing by Lewis, I wouldn’t be so sure of yourselves, Jenson has great racecraft and will benefit from no refuelling.

So taking everything into consideration, it really was a no brainer, Jenson wins hands down, and McLaren have made a great choice.

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

Funny but truthful reply redfrog!

On the whole I think marketting wise, this couldnt get any better, McLaren will raise all the money they need to get their own engine going.

However, the fine details could come down to the way JB or LH accepts being beat by the other driver, and how patient the other one can be when it comes to them winning at McLaren. And for the other driver to know, they cannot have everything their own way, simply said than done. If the work that out, this could get exceedingly good.

My only worry is that Whitmarsh isnt the biggest Hamilton fan, never has been and never will be, and blah blah blah, we just have to wait and see when it comes to team strategy and who gets what messages over the team radio!

anametoremember:

Kerching, Kerching, Kerching I can hear the cash pouring in now!

LOL

I think Whitmarsh not being a huge Lewis fan will be good for the team. It will help Jens to settle in and give him some confidence in dealing with the LH factor. It wont help beat Lewis but will make him feel better about it

redfrog:

justrace:

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

I have not wished anything bad for McLaren. But you had to be quite ignorant to think 1. that Hamilton and Button are the best driver pairing next year, 2. Mercedes only played an engine supply role at McLaren and their departure will not be felt, and 3. there will not be any effects from the budget cap on the big teams.

Brush it off as wishful thinking, I would call them real risks for McLaren. Of course the risks can be managed, but we will have to wait and see how well McLaren will handle those challenges. And that does not even include the risks of other McLaren business adventures, which may all bring the whole McLaren group down if they fail.

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

I have not wished anything bad for McLaren. But you had to be quite ignorant to think 1. that Hamilton and Button are the best driver pairing next year, 2. Mercedes only played an engine supply role at McLaren and their departure will not be felt, and 3. there will not be any effects from the budget cap on the big teams.

Brush it off as wishful thinking, I would call them real risks for McLaren. Of course the risks can be managed, but we will have to wait and see how well McLaren will handle those challenges. And that does not even include the risks of other McLaren business adventures, which may all bring the whole McLaren group down if they fail.

I think the use of the word ignorant was uncalled for........ no need for that.

Given that all your previous posts about McLaren are somewhat derogatory, I still believe it's all wishful thinking on your part.

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

I have not wished anything bad for McLaren. But you had to be quite ignorant to think 1. that Hamilton and Button are the best driver pairing next year, 2. Mercedes only played an engine supply role at McLaren and their departure will not be felt, and 3. there will not be any effects from the budget cap on the big teams.

Brush it off as wishful thinking, I would call them real risks for McLaren. Of course the risks can be managed, but we will have to wait and see how well McLaren will handle those challenges. And that does not even include the risks of other McLaren business adventures, which may all bring the whole McLaren group down if they fail.

I think the use of the word ignorant was uncalled for........ no need for that.

Given that all your previous posts about McLaren are somewhat derogatory, I still believe it's all wishful thinking on your part.

Well, if you call a post with funded reasons wishful thinking you should not complain that your reply is called ignorant. Especially when it is made of nothing else of what you just called wishful thinking. Pot kettle...

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

I have not wished anything bad for McLaren. But you had to be quite ignorant to think 1. that Hamilton and Button are the best driver pairing next year, 2. Mercedes only played an engine supply role at McLaren and their departure will not be felt, and 3. there will not be any effects from the budget cap on the big teams.

Brush it off as wishful thinking, I would call them real risks for McLaren. Of course the risks can be managed, but we will have to wait and see how well McLaren will handle those challenges. And that does not even include the risks of other McLaren business adventures, which may all bring the whole McLaren group down if they fail.

I think the use of the word ignorant was uncalled for........ no need for that.

Given that all your previous posts about McLaren are somewhat derogatory, I still believe it's all wishful thinking on your part.

Well, if you call a post with funded reasons wishful thinking you should not complain that your reply is called ignorant. Especially when it is made of nothing else of what you just called wishful thinking. Pot kettle...

So you think the loss of mercedes will make Mclaren a midfield team LOL

So you think the loss of mercedes will bring the McLaren group to it’s knees LOL

So you think Lewis and Jens are not the best pairing Ummm. Lewis has PROVED he is at least equal to Alonso. Jenson is the WDC and a match for Massa ( note not a WDC ).

I also just read on another thread you blame RD for for Kimi’s failure to secure a drive at McLaren because in your words,

“I guess it all came down to the offer McLaren made. I don't think anybody can say that Raikkonen did not consider McLaren seriously. But you cannot expect to pay a minimum and expect a maximum. My guess is that Raikkonen would have signed for the same contract Button got - or the other way round, Button would also not be at McLaren if he was offered the same contract as Raikkonen.

This all seems to have Dennis' handwriting, and smells like cheap revenge on Mercedes.”

You seem to take a swipe at McLaren, Lewis and RD at every opportunity, you seem to take great pleasure at reminding us all of their misdemeaners, and yet when someone suggests it maybe wishful thinking on your part to see McLaren bite the dust, you call them ignorant. Excuse me while I……..

ROFLMAO

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

I have not wished anything bad for McLaren. But you had to be quite ignorant to think 1. that Hamilton and Button are the best driver pairing next year, 2. Mercedes only played an engine supply role at McLaren and their departure will not be felt, and 3. there will not be any effects from the budget cap on the big teams.

Brush it off as wishful thinking, I would call them real risks for McLaren. Of course the risks can be managed, but we will have to wait and see how well McLaren will handle those challenges. And that does not even include the risks of other McLaren business adventures, which may all bring the whole McLaren group down if they fail.

I think the use of the word ignorant was uncalled for........ no need for that.

Given that all your previous posts about McLaren are somewhat derogatory, I still believe it's all wishful thinking on your part.

Well, if you call a post with funded reasons wishful thinking you should not complain that your reply is called ignorant. Especially when it is made of nothing else of what you just called wishful thinking. Pot kettle...

So you think the loss of mercedes will make Mclaren a midfield team LOL

So you think the loss of mercedes will bring the McLaren group to it’s knees LOL

So you think Lewis and Jens are not the best pairing Ummm. Lewis has PROVED he is at least equal to Alonso. Jenson is the WDC and a match for Massa ( note not a WDC ).

I also just read on another thread you blame RD for for Kimi’s failure to secure a drive at McLaren because in your words,

“I guess it all came down to the offer McLaren made. I don't think anybody can say that Raikkonen did not consider McLaren seriously. But you cannot expect to pay a minimum and expect a maximum. My guess is that Raikkonen would have signed for the same contract Button got - or the other way round, Button would also not be at McLaren if he was offered the same contract as Raikkonen.

This all seems to have Dennis' handwriting, and smells like cheap revenge on Mercedes.”

 

You seem to take a swipe at McLaren, Lewis and RD at every opportunity, you seem to take great pleasure at reminding us all of their misdemeaners, and yet when someone suggests it maybe wishful thinking on your part to see McLaren bite the dust, you call them ignorant. Excuse me while I……..

 

ROFLMAO

 

You are very right wording your post carfully, because nothing what for you seems to be the case is as you try to put it and nothing what you say I think is the case either. But I know now that reason is wasted on you.

Well, at least you have shown your true demagogic mindset now. As they say, who laughs last...

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

I have not wished anything bad for McLaren. But you had to be quite ignorant to think 1. that Hamilton and Button are the best driver pairing next year, 2. Mercedes only played an engine supply role at McLaren and their departure will not be felt, and 3. there will not be any effects from the budget cap on the big teams.

Brush it off as wishful thinking, I would call them real risks for McLaren. Of course the risks can be managed, but we will have to wait and see how well McLaren will handle those challenges. And that does not even include the risks of other McLaren business adventures, which may all bring the whole McLaren group down if they fail.

I think the use of the word ignorant was uncalled for........ no need for that.

Given that all your previous posts about McLaren are somewhat derogatory, I still believe it's all wishful thinking on your part.

Well, if you call a post with funded reasons wishful thinking you should not complain that your reply is called ignorant. Especially when it is made of nothing else of what you just called wishful thinking. Pot kettle...

So you think the loss of mercedes will make Mclaren a midfield team LOL

So you think the loss of mercedes will bring the McLaren group to it’s knees LOL

So you think Lewis and Jens are not the best pairing Ummm. Lewis has PROVED he is at least equal to Alonso. Jenson is the WDC and a match for Massa ( note not a WDC ).

I also just read on another thread you blame RD for for Kimi’s failure to secure a drive at McLaren because in your words,

“I guess it all came down to the offer McLaren made. I don't think anybody can say that Raikkonen did not consider McLaren seriously. But you cannot expect to pay a minimum and expect a maximum. My guess is that Raikkonen would have signed for the same contract Button got - or the other way round, Button would also not be at McLaren if he was offered the same contract as Raikkonen.

This all seems to have Dennis' handwriting, and smells like cheap revenge on Mercedes.”

 

You seem to take a swipe at McLaren, Lewis and RD at every opportunity, you seem to take great pleasure at reminding us all of their misdemeaners, and yet when someone suggests it maybe wishful thinking on your part to see McLaren bite the dust, you call them ignorant. Excuse me while I……..

 

ROFLMAO

 

Redfrog you do know Justrace comes with her hate tinted McLaren specs on!

Even now as we talk the are proclaiming Hamilton and Button to be a marketing dream, of course one has to finish behind the other in the season, goes with Alonso and Massa likewise, but I suspect this move can make both Button and Hamilton billions by the end of 2010 (hand Button a knighthood) and raise well over a billion for McLaren's investment in the car.

Dont mind Justrace's hate, it comes with standard wishful thinking and a lifetimes guarantee!

anametoremember:

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

redfrog:

justrace:

I still think that Ferrari have the better driver pair, and with less support from Mercedes and a continuation of other teams in with a chance for the title and race wins, I think we might as well see the beginning of McLaren slipping into the mid field over the next decade like Williams did. McLaren is not a teamw which will thrive under a budget cap. McLaren is commercially innovative, but technically their innovation is limited to the amount of money they can throw at the car.

JR I think there is too much wishful thinking going on in that head of yours. McLaren have shown this season they have more than enough ability to adapt to changing circumstances, it was they that managed to perform an almost unbelievable turnaround in performance despite the testing ban, OK they probably did throw a lot of cash at it, but Ferrari have shown that cash doesn't bring success, 21 years of winning nowt despite the biggest budget and best drivers, and without putting to fine a point on it, if it wasn't for the MS/RB/JT factor it would be over 30 years of hurt.

I have not wished anything bad for McLaren. But you had to be quite ignorant to think 1. that Hamilton and Button are the best driver pairing next year, 2. Mercedes only played an engine supply role at McLaren and their departure will not be felt, and 3. there will not be any effects from the budget cap on the big teams.

Brush it off as wishful thinking, I would call them real risks for McLaren. Of course the risks can be managed, but we will have to wait and see how well McLaren will handle those challenges. And that does not even include the risks of other McLaren business adventures, which may all bring the whole McLaren group down if they fail.

I think the use of the word ignorant was uncalled for........ no need for that.

Given that all your previous posts about McLaren are somewhat derogatory, I still believe it's all wishful thinking on your part.

Well, if you call a post with funded reasons wishful thinking you should not complain that your reply is called ignorant. Especially when it is made of nothing else of what you just called wishful thinking. Pot kettle...

So you think the loss of mercedes will make Mclaren a midfield team LOL

So you think the loss of mercedes will bring the McLaren group to it’s knees LOL

So you think Lewis and Jens are not the best pairing Ummm. Lewis has PROVED he is at least equal to Alonso. Jenson is the WDC and a match for Massa ( note not a WDC ).

I also just read on another thread you blame RD for for Kimi’s failure to secure a drive at McLaren because in your words,

“I guess it all came down to the offer McLaren made. I don't think anybody can say that Raikkonen did not consider McLaren seriously. But you cannot expect to pay a minimum and expect a maximum. My guess is that Raikkonen would have signed for the same contract Button got - or the other way round, Button would also not be at McLaren if he was offered the same contract as Raikkonen.

This all seems to have Dennis' handwriting, and smells like cheap revenge on Mercedes.”

 

You seem to take a swipe at McLaren, Lewis and RD at every opportunity, you seem to take great pleasure at reminding us all of their misdemeaners, and yet when someone suggests it maybe wishful thinking on your part to see McLaren bite the dust, you call them ignorant. Excuse me while I……..

 

ROFLMAO

 

 

 

Redfrog you do know Justrace comes with her hate tinted McLaren specs on!

Even now as we talk the are proclaiming Hamilton and Button to be a marketing dream, of course one has to finish behind the other in the season, goes with Alonso and Massa likewise, but I suspect this move can make both Button and Hamilton billions by the end of 2010 (hand Button a knighthood) and raise well over a billion for McLaren's investment in the car.

Dont mind Justrace's hate, it comes with standard wishful thinking and a lifetimes guarantee!

I think it is pretty clear who is displaying hate in this thread.